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#182126
I think this would work nicely. I don't personally mind how spawn currently looks, but I do agree that it doesn't make a good first impression for new players.

Also, since Rokkr marked the post invalid, but also posted the quote from the idea rules (note the second paragraph of the post) I would take that as an invitation to send an email asking about this proposal.
#182128
Why? This isnt a government with laws and such, why not just accept this? Sometimes I just gets so tired of this community with the whole von oben attitude.

What is this server for? Just for some staff to have a place where they can play president and slaves?

Isnt the community in it self worth anything? Is it just the rules that matters.
Sorry, but it has been way too much of this lately and I will leave now, before I have myself forum banned.
#182130
11Hax wrote:Why? This isnt a government with laws and such, why not just accept this? Sometimes I just gets so tired of this community with the whole von oben attitude.

What is this server for? Just for some staff to have a place where they can play president and slaves?

Isnt the community in it self worth anything? Is it just the rules that matters.
Sorry, but it has been way too much of this lately and I will leave now, before I have myself forum banned.
I was saying in game that its a suggestion... so just let it be that. But whatever, it doesn't matter now. Let the thread in the communities forum take this ones place. We need intelli's go ahead either way.
#182132
11Hax wrote:Why? This isnt a government with laws and such, why not just accept this? Sometimes I just gets so tired of this community with the whole von oben attitude.
They're just trying to be consistent. The new rules about "specific players, times, or locations" seemed to be a response to ideas that were singling out individual players e.g. "[Suggestion]: Player X shouldn't be able to make new suggestions." AFAIK the rules weren't originally designed to limit proposed spawn changes, but consistency in applying the rules is a worthy goal, regardless of whether you're dealing with "a government with laws and such."

Even if some of the rules seem rather bureaucratic, consider the alternative: rules that are either followed or ignored seemingly at random based on the arbitrary and capricious whims of the staff. Servers I've played on in the past have been like that, and Intelli would be well within his rights to run the place that way, but that's not exactly a recipe for a successful and long-lived server community.
#182159
11Hax wrote:Why? This isnt a government with laws and such, why not just accept this? Sometimes I just gets so tired of this community with the whole von oben attitude.

What is this server for? Just for some staff to have a place where they can play president and slaves?

Isnt the community in it self worth anything? Is it just the rules that matters.
Sorry, but it has been way too much of this lately and I will leave now, before I have myself forum banned.
Considering we've (me, rokkr, and torn) have paid well over 1 million credits total to control the central 4 realms, I'd say trying to enforce changes to our realms, rather than asking us permission, is exceptionally rude, and outright disrespectful to us as players on the server.
#182160
If it was anyone else who owned the realms you would have asked first. I know this without a doubt in my mind. You're assuming that because all four realms are owned by staff that they therefor have to change spawn however you see fit as long as it's suggested by the player base.. The mere assumption that they'd just do whatever with THEIR realms just because a player suggested it is ignorant in my opinion. If I put up a suggestion saying "All Mitchie151's realms need to be changed to giant netherrack and cobble structures." And the player base voted yes on it. Would you expect him to then change all his realms to make sure they make you happy?
Last time I checked we aren't leashes at everyone's command.
#182169
Actually, I'd argue otherwise, VV. Mitchie's realms aren't the first thing new players see, or the central location for the entire server. While Intelli, Torn, and Rokkr can obviously do what they likes with their realms, I'd say they have a responsibility to at least make it look good.

Remember the rule instituted regarding spawn realms? They have to look at least reasonably good, or be part of a project in progress, else they will be force-sold to the highest bidder. As I understand, this applies to Intelli's, Torn's, and Rokkr's realms as much as, if not more than, it applies to ColdF3ar's or Frosty's. They are under no obligation to choose the specific design Mitchie has created, but making it look good should be a priority, and considering Spawn itself to be equivalent to Mitchie's realms is fallacious, as changing it would fall under the category of "server development".

Look at it this way. If the US government were to hold a vote for a redesign of my house, it would be ridiculous; it's private property. But if were to hold such a vote regarding a reorganization of the White House, it would be much more reasonable. Really, it comes down to the following question: is Spawn considered Intelli's private property, or is it considered property of the MineRealm government?

TL;DR: The owners of Spawn don't have to use Mitchie's design, but they have a responsibility to make them look good. Also, whether Spawn counts or should count as private property is debatable (although Intelli obviously has the last word).

~dlgn
#182170
dlgn wrote:Remember the rule instituted regarding spawn realms? They have to look at least reasonably good, or be part of a project in progress, else they will be force-sold to the highest bidder.
1. If that was still a rule, or being enforced, we would have force-sold Roobean's realm ages ago.

2. Staff has not determined spawn to be in an unacceptable state, nor is the current design finished. It's currently undergoing changes, and we've been waiting for this wipe [link] to occur before making further changes.
#182171
dlgn wrote:Look at it this way. If the US government were to hold a vote for a redesign of my house, it would be ridiculous; it's private property. But if were to hold such a vote regarding a reorganization of the White House, it would be much more reasonable. Really, it comes down to the following question: is Spawn considered Intelli's private property, or is it considered property of the MineRealm government?
"Spawn" is the central 30x30 of the map under spawn protection. Anything beyond that is "private property" of the realm owners.
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