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Hmm ive had this thought for a while..

What if.. We all saw colors differently. As in example.. I would see THIS as Red obv, and to me it looks the same.. but to you.. it looked like what i Blue yet to you, you know it as called red as well. And all the colors.. we saw them differently as one another.. but we all named them the same..

EX: Purple could be my purple but at the same time Purple could be seen as that shade by someone else but we call it the same. The Shades would correspond.

Shades meaning that
red and Blue is Purple for me

and then to a different person,
Red and blue is Purple

But then due to everyone having their own sight and possible color differences, learning the names of the colors growing up, and seeing them as we each see them, could have this happen.

There is no possible way to verify that this happens or not O_O DUN DUN DUNNNN
Had this idea/thought in my head since about my freshman year. my dad understands it due to his eyes getting messed up on the boat when he was younger. he knows what red is.. but due to the metal that shot in his eye, his colors are off. His red is now a bright orange but can tell the difference between a red and orange item.. Kinda weird if you think about it. c;

but who knows.. maybe im crazy @,@
#83668
I'm thinking about quantum computers and the possibility of artificial intelligence.

I'll make it short and sweet. A computer needs to be programmed something for it to know something. How can you program a computer to learn every possible scenario it comes across? It wouldn't be intelligence, then, would it? Because if it already knew something, it wouldn't have to think. Any thoughts?
#83673
Flan, I think what you're describing might be an actual disorder, but just a rare one. Like a form of color blindness, but instead of not being able to see correct colors, you perceive them differently. I swear I've heard of that before. Pretty sure that some people that can't see certain colors, such as green, see it as a similar color. Just kind of shifting it along the spectrum in the way they perceive wavelengths.

Who knows though. I was stumped when it came to using the spectrometer in my chem and astronomy classes :P.
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hvrock13 wrote:Flan, I think what you're describing might be an actual disorder, but just a rare one. Like a form of color blindness, but instead of not being able to see correct colors, you perceive them differently. I swear I've heard of that before. Pretty sure that some people that can't see certain colors, such as green, see it as a similar color. Just kind of shifting it along the spectrum in the way they perceive wavelengths.

Who knows though. I was stumped when it came to using the spectrometer in my chem and astronomy classes :P.
But who's to say that people dont already perceive colors differently... and the disorder is even more altered. @.@ I'm talking about everyone seeing a different set of colors for one named.
Me: red
you: red
Intelli: red
LM108: red
We all see different shades of color... but we call them the same name due to us not knowing that we do this! :X

deep concept is deep
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FlannyFlan wrote: But who's to say that people dont already perceive colors differently... and the disorder is even more altered. @.@ I'm talking about everyone seeing a different set of colors for one named.
Me: red
you: red
Intelli: red
LM108: red
We all see different shades of color... but we call them the same name due to us not knowing that we do this! :X

deep concept is deep
while this is entirely possible, it is not at all plausible. because our overall physiology pretty similar, we can rely on the fact that the rods and cones in our eyes will produce consistent interpretations of our shared surroundings. there is no doubt, though, that a small minority of people will have altered functionalities, and those people will experience something like you are describing. i have even heard of people that can "see" wavelengths larger than the normal wavelengths of visible light, e.g., infrared light, and they claim to see a red aura emanating from certain objects.

on a more interesting note, i do think "deep concept is quite deeper than you might imagine deep". i think your whole "different color" theory has potential to be a very interesting analogy for something much, much larger. mainly, how we as people relate to everything around us, i.e. 'what we actually perceive ourselves to be, as human beings'. whereas, colors of light and how we see them our set in stone, so to speak; nothing is going to determine how the cones in your eye react to incoming light, other than your natural development, save for an unseen accident etc.. (objectivity) however, how we experience our world is based on much more subjective terms. (thoughts and actions driven by our emotions). i say subjective because most things we know to be "true" are not constants, they are socially constructed "truths". but, if we do not have control over how we develop socially, than is it true enough to call those "truths" constants, i.e. do we have free will, and what the hell is free will if we have it?! right about here is where you can diverge into countless philosophical, physiological, sociological etc arguments and discussions that will keep you thinking for years
these are the ramblings of someone that has read and thought way too much lol i hope that gives you something to think about
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newergrades wrote:while this is entirely possible, it is not at all plausible. because our overall physiology pretty similar, we can rely on the fact that the rods and cones in our eyes will produce consistent interpretations of our shared surroundings. there is no doubt, though, that a small minority of people will have altered functionalities, and those people will experience something like you are describing. i have even heard of people that can "see" wavelengths larger than the normal wavelengths of visible light, e.g., infrared light, and they claim to see a red aura emanating from certain objects.

on a more interesting note, i do think "deep concept is quite deeper than you might imagine deep". i think your whole "different color" theory has potential to be a very interesting analogy for something much, much larger. mainly, how we as people relate to everything around us, i.e. 'what we actually perceive ourselves to be, as human beings'. whereas, colors of light and how we see them our set in stone, so to speak; nothing is going to determine how the cones in your eye react to incoming light, other than your natural development, save for an unseen accident etc.. (objectivity) however, how we experience our world is based on much more subjective terms. (thoughts and actions driven by our emotions). i say subjective because most things we know to be "true" are not constants, they are socially constructed "truths". but, if we do not have control over how we develop socially, than is it true enough to call those "truths" constants, i.e. do we have free will, and what the hell is free will if we have it?! right about here is where you can diverge into countless philosophical, physiological, sociological etc arguments and discussions that will keep you thinking for years
these are the ramblings of someone that has read and thought way too much lol i hope that gives you something to think about
^This guy knows what he's talking about. +1
You should teach philosophy.
#83784
newergrades wrote:
FlannyFlan wrote: But who's to say that people dont already perceive colors differently... and the disorder is even more altered. @.@ I'm talking about everyone seeing a different set of colors for one named.
Me: red
you: red
Intelli: red
LM108: red
We all see different shades of color... but we call them the same name due to us not knowing that we do this! :X

deep concept is deep
while this is entirely possible, it is not at all plausible. because our overall physiology pretty similar, we can rely on the fact that the rods and cones in our eyes will produce consistent interpretations of our shared surroundings. there is no doubt, though, that a small minority of people will have altered functionalities, and those people will experience something like you are describing. i have even heard of people that can "see" wavelengths larger than the normal wavelengths of visible light, e.g., infrared light, and they claim to see a red aura emanating from certain objects.

on a more interesting note, i do think "deep concept is quite deeper than you might imagine deep". i think your whole "different color" theory has potential to be a very interesting analogy for something much, much larger. mainly, how we as people relate to everything around us, i.e. 'what we actually perceive ourselves to be, as human beings'. whereas, colors of light and how we see them our set in stone, so to speak; nothing is going to determine how the cones in your eye react to incoming light, other than your natural development, save for an unseen accident etc.. (objectivity) however, how we experience our world is based on much more subjective terms. (thoughts and actions driven by our emotions). i say subjective because most things we know to be "true" are not constants, they are socially constructed "truths". but, if we do not have control over how we develop socially, than is it true enough to call those "truths" constants, i.e. do we have free will, and what the hell is free will if we have it?! right about here is where you can diverge into countless philosophical, physiological, sociological etc arguments and discussions that will keep you thinking for years
these are the ramblings of someone that has read and thought way too much lol i hope that gives you something to think about
Its a very interesting question as it involves both objectivity and subjectivity, not only
are you dealing with the external universe and it's true nature, but also the internal world from the viewpoint of the observer and how they analyse the world around them.
To shorten my reply in this post, there was a really interesting Horizon programme on the BBC;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/tv/2011/08/horizon.shtml


Although it's only 1 hour long it does contain some interesting observations on colour, the language of colour and colour as an illusion.
The third link is probably the most relevant to Flanny's post as it goes into how language has an impact on how we perceive colours.
The first part of the program has been removed for copyright reasons, but the rest of the links work quite well (at the moment).
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