[Rokkrwolf]

I say just make the oceans closest to the spawns out of land that way new people can build without having to travel great distances so we can stop hearing. "Where's public land?" Every time a new person logs on.

Lol now it will be "Where is any land all I see is water"

[Emershaan]

I say just make the oceans closest to the spawns out of land that way new people can build without having to travel great distances so we can stop hearing. "Where's public land?" Every time a new person logs on.

Lol now it will be "Where is any land all I see is water"

You have inspired me. A spawn platform shall be created in the middle of the largest ocean to farm cheap newbie labor.

[Aelcalan]

Let's run a quick guesstimate, shall we? Say the farthest we'll realistically get the map to is 100k x 100k. That's 100 times the current map, making any area the size of what we've got now 1% of the new map. Now, as Intelli stated in the very first post, there are oceans WELL over that size, which means that just ONE ocean could be 1% or MORE of that map. Multiple oceans will of course increase this, and I can't see us NOT have several in our little area of practicality.

So, let's say 10% of the map works out to be ocean. I have no idea how realistic this is, it's a wild guess. By and large, players aren't interested in oceans; they're a mildly entertaining obstacle at best. Certainly, there's a handful who'd like to build extensive aquatic structures, but they seem to be a marked minority. Thus, I'd say that most oceans are not USEFUL as gamespace, and therefore do not contribute to the improvement of the server as a whole.

[Emershaan]

Could there be a way to reduce the oceans without removing them completely? A way to have it only replace half or so with terrain?

If that's in some way possible, it'd be the perfect compromise between both views. Oceans readily available but not restrictively oversized.

[Cannabin0l]

Could there be a way to reduce the oceans without removing them completely? A way to have it only replace half or so with terrain?

If that's in some way possible, it'd be the perfect compromise between both views. Oceans readily available but not restrictively oversized.

I think Intelli's plan was less faulty. :/

It's not the amount of water, it's water in general. We're not trying to make the watered areas smaller, we're trying to make it so it's all land, and for people who are so picky that they wish for more water, they can go to the area further away where water is.

[Cerojiro]

I'm working on making my realms ocean height so they will be islands, in case it happens. also if the oceans become random crappy looking land with no biome thats sucky too. Ocean do have mines. On the bottom. Also they have more clay. AND with the new update breath holding is a stat so i think taking them away is like saying you dont approve with improvements to the game. so no dont change them.

[Emershaan]

And it's not like there'll be an extreme land shortage. Oceans or not, there's still huge areas of land left to expand over. And if you really hate having any water at all in or near your realms, fill it with dirt to drain it out. I did so with one of my realms, and if I can do it alone, anyone can.

[taxidriver308]

Humm, several thoughts here.

1. if the new map is say 100 times bigger and 10% is oceans, that means 89% more land area than before thusly plenty for everyone to build what they want were they want.

2. if we start taking things out of the vanilla game that we dont like, where do we stop? "I really dont like walking 10k blocks to get to my realm let me turn on fly", "I really hate it when mobs attack me when I am building so lets put it on peaceful mode", "Man I really hate that there are so few diamonds in the ground so lets mutiply the diamonds by 10".

3. if the ported in realms look choppy so what? what else do we have time for but to make them look better and fit the landscape better.

I feel like that if you start taking things out of the game that is supposed to be vanilla and survival then you are doing a dissearvice to everyone playing on this server. So what if oceans are more restrictive to walk around or you have to make a boat? That is part of the game! It is a challenge to be overcome! If you want to start taking every thing out of the game that is hard or difficult or that you dont like then dont call it a survival server anymore IMHO.

If you are worried about noobs trying to reach public land but spawn city is surrounded by a huge ocean, make more spawn points. Get more towns that are spread out and have them as spawn points. You could even just turn off the spawn point in spawn city and it could be the elite veterian town or whatever and have the noobs spawn off in the wilderness.

Which ever way it goes I will deal with it, but those are my opinions on the matter, take it or leave it. I am not trying to change anyones mind with my opinions, I just hope that you see that there are more options out there if you just give it a chance.

[connorartman97]

And it's not like there'll be an extreme land shortage. Oceans or not, there's still huge areas of land left to expand over. And if you really hate having any water at all in or near your realms, fill it with dirt to drain it out. I did so with one of my realms, and if I can do it alone, anyone can.

A little late getting into this discussion but i agree with you, If huge oceans are a part of Minecraft now then, of course involve them in the game play. It adds a new idea and way of build opportunities to the game. And opens opportunities for things like underwater cities, boats, etc.

Mostly, the ocean should stay.

[cdisme]

Only valid points I have really seen for 'YES' would be the "too many random realm plots in the middle of water, looks bad" I dont know how far you have explored this map, but that is already the case.
Plus some people see this seemingly 'water world' biome (just in sheer size) as unusable. Unusable? I say rub brain for +5 creativity. And build big.
Best point I have seen for 'NO' Is a self statement (if thinking yes) that you do not agree with the games changes to default settings. After that what is next? Multi diamond nods? Flying? ect.
Would say a follow through with the deletion of oceans would be the start of a decreasing legitimacy.

" COME PLAY OUR BEAUTIFUL, TOTALLY LEGIT SEVER! but we, much like Taz, HATES WAHTAH, SO ITS ALL GONE!"

IMO, make them smaller or leave them alone, do not delete. Let the players find a way to integrate.... plus this is not for sure the last map wipe correct? If not then we dont know what could change in the next month.

End of post because juicy domestic dispute just busted out and I think she just threw his "bong piece" because its all he is going on about. Love apartments.