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By Valendr0s
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Skylord_Fox wrote:
Valendr0s wrote: I wonder what the Declaration of Independence or Paine's "Age of Reason" would have looked like if they'd used bold, italics, and larger fonts for emphasis on certain points... Just a silly digression. Carry on with the debate.
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By faldette
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Valendr0s wrote:*snip*
This are some of the very things that I've been thinking, but struggling to put into words.
By eah
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Do you not eat your potatoes when it's touching your corn? It doesn't hurt having it mixed, right? It's all going to the same place, right? Intelli has added a pinch of corn to your potatoes. If you don't like this, you're a picky eater.

I hope I'm making a valid analogy here. If not, I'll leave it to the naysers to tell me what's wrong.

Going back to my previous posts in this thread, there is global and constant pvp in the nether. The nether is a whole dimension. It has netherrack, quartz, lava, blaze grinders, and it's a fast way to travel. If you want the entire minecraft (and minerealm) experience, you need to have at least visited the nether. Therefore, pvp is not entirely avoidable even without the mist. Why has nobody suggested pvp be removed from the nether? Isn't it dangerous? Someone could kill you and take your gear at any moment. Just imagine how simple it would be to pop in the spawn portal and be on your way to your far off base. You can't do that now. You can't do that ever. What's the difference between the nether and the mist?

To Jack's rant, I don't want my posts or any in this thread to feel like a personal attack against you. I want everyone to know that this is all a friendly debate. Though, some people are threatening to leave this community. I understand, but that's not a friendly way to go about things, particularly for a server that you love.
By Valendr0s
#183661
eah2119 wrote:What's the difference between the nether and the mist?
I don't have to go to Nether. I can avoid it should I not want to participate.

I quite literally can count on two hands the number of times I've gone to Nether or Borderlands in Minerealm. Precisely because there's open PvP. And when I did, I was extremely well prepared when I went.

I certainly don't have to go several times a day against my will.
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By dlgn
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eah2119 wrote:Do you not eat your potatoes when it's touching your corn? It doesn't hurt having it mixed, right? It's all going to the same place, right? Intelli has added a pinch of corn to your potatoes. If you don't like this, you're a picky eater.

I hope I'm making a valid analogy here. If not, I'll leave it to the naysers to tell me what's wrong.
Imagine I dislike corn. If I go to a restaurant and the only version of a few dishes I like that they serve contains corn, I'll be disappointed but not upset; I'll just order another dish. But if every single dish has corn in it, I'm going to be ticked off.
Going back to my previous posts in this thread, there is global and constant pvp in the nether. The nether is a whole dimension. It has netherrack, quartz, lava, blaze grinders, and it's a fast way to travel.
Yes, people lose out if they don't go in the Nether. But that's their choice. They can stay out of it if they wish and still have fun playing.
If you want the entire minecraft (and minerealm) experience, you need to have at least visited the nether. Therefore, pvp is not entirely avoidable even without the mist.
But what if a player doesn't want the entire Minecraft experience? What if she just wants to build and mine in the peaceful overworld?
Why has nobody suggested pvp be removed from the nether? Isn't it dangerous? Someone could kill you and take your gear at any moment. Just imagine how simple it would be to pop in the spawn portal and be on your way to your far off base. You can't do that now. You can't do that ever. What's the difference between the nether and the mist?
dlgn wrote:Those are entirely different situations. People who don't like PVP can simply avoid the Nether. It isn't too hard. The Mist, on the other hand, is unavoidable, uncontrollable, and unpredictable. It takes away the choice that makes MineRealm unique.
There is nowhere you can go to avoid The Mist. Avoiding the Nether will cut out a lot of gameplay, but it's themed gameplay. The whole point of the Nether is that it's dangerous. It has low ambient light, there are monsters and lava everywhere, and there are few resources available to help with survival. Enabling PVP is just another way to increase the Nether's danger factor.

The Overworld of MineRealm, on the other hand, has long been safe from forced PVP, and it's something that people have come to expect, as it differentiates MineRealm from always-PVP servers and makes it far easier for large groups of players to collaborate safely. Granted, this hasn't been occurring very much lately, but the Mist will, if anything, make the problem worse. Remember back in 3.0 when there were people swarming about Spawn like ants? Remember Operation OP? Had The Mist existed in the days when MineRealm was lively, it would have been catastrophic, and now it serves as another barrier to prevent the exciting atmosphere of those days from returning.
To Jack's rant, I don't want my posts or any in this thread to feel like a personal attack against you. I want everyone to know that this is all a friendly debate. Though, some people are threatening to leave this community. I understand, but that's not a friendly way to go about things, particularly for a server that you love.
For a lot of us, eah, the "love" part has been decreasing. Now, I'm not leaving, but I've been having less and less fun and fewer good times on MineRealm lately. I don't know why, really, but it's just the way things are. For some, The Mist is just the last straw. They aren't threatening, eah, they're warning Intelli that it's a bad idea because it will drive people away and asking him to remove it for their sake.

~dlgn
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By Intelli
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dlgn wrote:If I go to a restaurant and the only version of a few dishes I like that they serve contains corn, I'll be disappointed but not upset; I'll just order another dish. But if every single dish has corn in it, I'm going to be ticked off.
Eat your veggies.
By The-Jack-DeCk
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eah2119 wrote: It's all going to the same place, right?
Then how come people don't put their hamburgers in blenders?

In all seriousness though,
eah2119 wrote:To Jack's rant, I don't want my posts or any in this thread to feel like a personal attack against you.
Thank you, and likewise. I am just trying to help the server, and in my opinion that means I should fight against the Mist. I do not want anybody's feelings hurt although I felt so strongly against the Mist that I feel I may have upset some or many.
By Valendr0s
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meleechampion wrote:Yesterday was the first time I've pvp'd in minecraft. On any server. Ever.

It wasn't really any fun, but if I hadn't typed /spawn to intentionally go and fight I wouldn't have encountered any pvp at all. I don't think this mist is going to be a problem for anyone. It's super easy to avoid confrontation if you don't want any.

I voted no, at least give it some time, and some people seem to enjoy it.
So the spirit of the thing can be achieved by having a server-wide message announcing that you can teleport to a place other than /spawn and have pvp there. Rather than having spawn be the designated 'go kill people' spot several times a day, and having people become distrustful of strangers in their plots, you could have /pvp turned on in a specific area and have a quick teleport command to take people to it.

All groups and arguments appeased.
Last edited by Valendr0s on Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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By dlgn
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society wrote:-snip-
That site was...interesting.
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