[cdisme]

Was just banned a few minutes ago by BSGSamuel, and not sure why, I really appreciate that after all this time the server or admin don't give reasons at the kick screen. I have been gearing up to go quartz hunting, trying to find cows in the spare time as well. Maybe my quartz hunting was considered griefing the nether since I was close to a nicely built walkway. Broke blocks too fast? Or maybe the End Stone and other valuables I found in a little nothing house? I took it thinking it was unprotected and was either stolen to begin with or was about to be stolen soon enough. I wanted to give it a nice home instead of hording it away, maybe make an ode to the end with what very little End Stone I have seen on this server. In any case, I am far from the only person who has done any of these things clearly, but on the other hand, I am far from a grief. I do my best to help the economy of minerealm by trading and making the place look a little better block by block. Just bought a stack of diamonds for 6.4k and gave almost a 1k tip after tax. But even the most legit players can get a bit eager in their adventures. My venturing for cows is a rare one, and there are so many little crappy houses all over, its hard to not think some materials could be put to better use. At any rate, unban me. After just recently being completely looted myself...by individuals that shouldn't know where a disbanded realm is or how valuable it is, but do anyhow and seem to get away with reselling them time and time again when they clearly have info they shouldn't, and getting little to no justice myself as my land sits vultured up in pieces by an inactive noob who builds nothing himself, I do admit a slight slide in my care to act "white knight-ish" in all my actions.

[Meowrocket]

Looting is taking things that are not yours. In this case, the 'End Stone and other valuables' did not belong to you, therefore taking them is looting. And it does not matter if it is a 'little nothing house', or if the items may have been stolen to begin with. Committing a crime to 'right' a crime only results in being banned on your part, because crimes are crimes. There's no way to justify them. Also, if you were recently looted, you should have called staff to catch the perpetrator and undo his deeds. Saying that will not make staff 'feel sorry for you' and let you off easy.

As I said before, crime is crime.

-Meow

[Rokkrwolf]

Was just banned a few minutes ago by BSGSamuel, and not sure why, I really appreciate that after all this time the server or admin don't give reasons at the kick screen.

There new reasons are still being worked on, regardless you need to know why you are banned you would ask here anyway even if we told you guys.

Or maybe the End Stone and other valuables I found in a little nothing house? I took it thinking it was unprotected and was either stolen to begin with or was about to be stolen soon enough. I wanted to give it a nice home instead of hording it away, maybe make an ode to the end with what very little End Stone I have seen on this server.

Looting is looting. I don't care if it's abandoned or a "little nothing house" you cannot take items without staff permission. Which I don't see you saying you did therefore you looted someone with no reason other than you wanted the stuff.

At any rate, unban me. After just recently being completely looted myself...by individuals that shouldn't know where a disbanded realm is or how valuable it is, but do anyhow and seem to get away with reselling them time and time again when they clearly have info they shouldn't, and getting little to no justice myself as my land sits vultured up in pieces by an inactive noob who builds nothing himself, I do admit a slight slide in my care to act "white knight-ish" in all my actions.

As far as this goes I already explained it

You had to vanish and your realms disbanded on Sun, 13 Jan 2013 06:00:14 GMT.

Shortly after Artraf had moved into the area, claimed it was his home yada yada, he has always lived there since then he even bought the realm on Wed, 06 Mar 2013 02:03:03 GMT and staff have been called there many times for griefing checks ect.

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 22:03:02 GMT you had finally returned to Artraf owning part of your home and a bunch of stuff griefed, you then talked with staff about the issue which they told you to talk to me or intelli so you posted on the forums. This thread http://minerealm.com/community/viewtopi ... =7&t=13329 the next day

Well it got buried we never seen it.

TLDR; We have discussed it already and he was well within his rights to buy the realm and continue to live there. There is no justice because you missed your chance to reclaim your stuff that is not our issue in anyway and we will not force a player to return something since he followed the rules. So don't be disrespectful to another player because he happened to buy your home after you vanished. I know you had a hard time but there's no need to be disrespectful to him.

As far as the others who have bought it and looted guess what almost every person who has touched those chests has been banned so stop beating a dead horse. You know who the last two players are and one is banned so tough luck till it disbands.


Now back to your actual appeal, you were indeed banned for looting as to the contents I am unsure at this time as I haven't gotten on yet but you basically admitted to looting outright. So I think that clears it up either way.

[cdisme]

Cool, for how long? Will the items I looted be returned? Even knowing mine were not returned. Beating a dead horse? Lawl, it clearly wasn't YOUR land and stock that you worked for over a year on that was picked clean and then SQUATED on by a player that has built 1 chicken pen the entire 2-3 months he has apparently been there. But no, I love the sting of salt in my wounds, please, do go on. Tell me how inadequate your systems are in righting the wrongs for the citizens of minerealm, returning items and reverting land, or even just establishing a connection for two parties in a dispute. Tell them you better be here every month or kiss your work goodbye, no matter the scale or the obvious misfortune of the matter. Even knowing we will ban ever finger that touches your work and your items, some how we can't help you get anything back. Odd.

I am clearly trying to re-establish myself and gain a proper foothold after being destroyed in minerealm after my forced break. I got greedy, I am not going to say sorry because it is what it is and this isn't grade school...and well because I am not sorry. My first offense looting and I am not sorry I decided to have a vision for the materials. I wanted to do big things but BSG had better plans.

So lets cut to the chase and tell me how long of a ban we got here?

[Rixih]

I'm going to go ahead and nominate this ban "appeal" for the worst ban appeals thread.
You've shown NO remorse, lack of care for the rules, and even resorted to mocking a staff member. You even listed offenses you may be held accounted for clearly aware that whatever you had done was not within the rules. Basically all I can see is that you're showing remorse over the fact that you have been caught. As a long standing member of the community you should know better.

[Rokkrwolf]

Cool, for how long? Will the items I looted be returned? Even knowing mine were not returned. Beating a dead horse? Lawl, it clearly wasn't YOUR land and stock that you worked for over a year on that was picked clean and then SQUATED on by a player that has built 1 chicken pen the entire 2-3 months he has apparently been there. But no, I love the sting of salt in my wounds, please, do go on. Tell me how inadequate your systems are in righting the wrongs for the citizens of minerealm, returning items and reverting land, or even just establishing a connection for two parties in a dispute. Tell them you better be here every month or kiss your work goodbye, no matter the scale or the obvious misfortune of the matter. Even knowing we will ban ever finger that touches your work and your items, some how we can't help you get anything back. Odd.

I am clearly trying to re-establish myself and gain a proper foothold after being destroyed in minerealm after my forced break. I got greedy, I am not going to say sorry because it is what it is and this isn't grade school...and well because I am not sorry. My first offense looting and I am not sorry I decided to have a vision for the materials. I wanted to do big things but BSG had better plans.

So lets cut to the chase and tell me how long of a ban we got here?

Listen I'm not fighting with you over the rules I explained them to you several times. You don't like it the door is that way >

I know you were forced to leave but you had 30 days to login if that's not enough you have a additional 14 days to at least claim your items/ possible return of the realm if the player is nice enough. But we will not force players to sell the realms unless they bought them with the sole intent of looting. In Artraf's case he bought the realm and has been living there for quite some time. Even though he owns a quarter or your stuff that's no reason to treat another player with disrespect. Your signs were more than enough to ban you but I let you off if you want I'll tack that on to this ban as well.

There is nothing wrong with the system, many other players go through what you went through with the realm system I don't see any of them complaining, in fact after explain the situations just like I explained to you they thank us for our time and just move on and ask others for help. Realize some of these players have lost entire cities, they don't complain and they surely don't treat other players with disrespect over such a trivial issue.

As far as how long? Until I say so, looking over just your appeal here and your attitude, you will just continue to be disrespectful, you don't seem to care you looted someone else all because your area was moved into and claimed because you were gone for roughly 5 months. That is in no way our concern nor should we have to keep arguing with you about it.

[dlgn]

In this case, I believe some information I could give would be appropriate here.

Artraf (my brother) came upon the realm and thought it was neat. He found it griefed and asked VVolfie to roll it back, which she did. He then asked for permission to buy it, which he was given, as well as permission to take the items, which, I believe, he was also given.

That said, I'm sure that artraf would have been willing to return your items if you had asked him. Should you get unbanned, I can relay your request to him myself, in fact. However, he's currently using the realm as his primary home and the main base for his guild and noob assistance center, and if that isn't noble, I don't know what is. In any case, it isn't something that he's going to be able to abandon currently, as it is his only realm in addition to these other reasons. As for his inactivity, he's quite busy, and he spends the majority of his time online helping noobs and recruiting for his guild.

As for the entire "inside info" etc. thing, artraf was looking for a nice place to live, and he happened to come upon your house. He has made no attempt to resell it, nor will he to my knowledge. He just likes it. And, just for the record, he isn't a noob, he's a vet. He just tends to keep to himself and his guild most of the time.

CDISME, I hope the information I have given has helped you understand what's going on with artraf. Rokkr, I hope it helps with the appeal, and if not, my apologies for interfering.

~dgn

[cdisme]

So perma? I don't have a record of looting. Me not saying sorry is not the same as me admitting future intent to repeat this stupid action. As for my attitude, I have stated my case several times and I suppose I shouldn't expect anyone to understand. It was my projects and my attachments to them. It's my heart that got broke and no one elses. Whats lost is lost, what ever, doesn't mean I am happy with it or should have to be. But I do suppose I don't filter emotion as well as I should, even if I have had a pain in my side around this server since I got back since I was starting a new. So I looted, when before I would just take a curious look. Should have waited a day to appeal with a calmer approach by chance but it was my one day off and I had some building and hunting planned.

Nominate me for what ever. Some people don't have the patients it takes to kiss anothers feet with words, just words on a screen. I don't want to -snip- anyone, I just want to get back to building, trading and not beat around the bush of the ban to figure out what is deemed applicable punishment.
Thanks.

[SilentCitizen]

Just in case you don't get the warning I edited your post for foul language. If it's not allowed on the server it's not allowed on the forums.