[Twiztidguy]

How about no?

Every situation is different and demands a different type/length of punishment. Standardising something when there is no 'standard' to start off with is futile.

Rokkrwolf312 wrote:
You people can't seem to grasp the fact griefing is griefing. There's no "Oh well it was only a few blocks," you break the rules you get banned plain and simple.

I think your signature says it all... Griefing is griefing... Xray is xray... Once again we get back to the situation which I think most everyone knows what I'm talking about. You have one person who just joined and uses Xray then you have another situation where someone has been here for a long time and then uses xray. The noobie gets a freebie and the long time player gets a permanent ban. Even though both people know that xraying is probably going to get you banned. As I have stated before, if the noob is smart enough to get the hack... they are smart enough to know the consequences of the hack. Even if my system doesn't work, I feel we need some type of change. It's pretty clear the system we have right now is a bit unjust in certain situations and not strict enough in others.

[jackavsfan]

I think the current system of all bans being permanent until appealed works well for a server of this size.

Appeals would still be needed to be unbanned. This was just a maximum amount of time a player can be banned after making the appeal.

Oh you mean for these to be MAXIMUMS? Wow, that makes me dislike the system even more. The severity of the offense needs to determine the length of the ban. And yes, I realize you feel differently, but in some cases being a well-respected player who knows the rules will lead to a longer ban if you do get banned. Breaking the rules at that stage shows that you purposely broke the rules.

And as you know, Rokkr almost always delivers responses to ban appeals and has the final word on most appeals. He knows who he has or hasn't dealt with before and who can or can't be trusted. Your system would totally handcuff him into delivering bans of a certain length based on a chart rather than what the player actually deserves.

If he knows who has dealt with before then it should make it that much easier to determine which rank the player is at. Not to mention there are more staff than just Rokkr. They can do their part as well, and even if they weren't there for the ban all they have to do is just look at the record and can deal with it themselves.

First of all, if Rokkr needed help on ban appeals, that would probably be worked out amongst the staff members. As far as we know, he has no problem with the system as-is. And you failed to address the issue of him being handcuffed by this system: he's forced to give bans that may be shorter than the player deserves just because the chart says so.

they would have to go look them up in the ban list to see whether it is their first, second, third offense etc. instead of just banning them outright. That's a VERY annoying 1-2 minutes while a spammer may still be clogging up chat.

You would ban them immediately... if they were looking it up while the player was still breaking the rule that would be stupid. As I stated before all bans are permanent until appealed.

When you said this:

Any staff can make the ban if it meets the criteria and no other staff or elder staff is needed. UNLESS the staff member initiating the ban is unsure if the player might be innocent or was banned for something that is 100% unwelcome yet outside of the stated rules.

It led me to believe that you were suggesting staff need to check the chart and see what rank the player is at before banning him, which would be a pain.

Another problem that Ryu has pointed out is the issue of making the ban list public. That's not going to happen any time soon. And I don't entirely understand why instituting a complicated new system like this is necessary in the first place.

[Rokkrwolf]

How about no?

Every situation is different and demands a different type/length of punishment. Standardising something when there is no 'standard' to start off with is futile.

Rokkrwolf312 wrote:
You people can't seem to grasp the fact griefing is griefing. There's no "Oh well it was only a few blocks," you break the rules you get banned plain and simple.

I think your signature says it all... Griefing is griefing... Xray is xray... Once again we get back to the situation which I think most everyone knows what I'm talking about. You have one person who just joined and uses Xray then you have another situation where someone has been here for a long time and then uses xray. The noobie gets a freebie and the long time player gets a permanent ban. Even though both people know that xraying is probably going to get you banned. As I have stated before, if the noob is smart enough to get the hack... they are smart enough to know the consequences of the hack. Even if my system doesn't work, I feel we need some type of change. It's pretty clear the system we have right now is a bit unjust in certain situations and not strict enough in others.

It's more than just a vet using it gets a perma and a noobie a freebie, there's more behind bans/appeals than you guys see. What exactly needs change? As far as you are all aware we already have a similar system in place, it's just not talked about because it's staff business. Show me what is unjust or not strict, if you are referring to past bans that's understandable we were more loose. But lately it's been more strict and extended ban times so I don't see the issue.

[Rick]

This was only made because Sarahliz wasn't unbanned yet. So, no. The system is fine as it is.

-Rick

[Twiztidguy]

This was only made because Sarahliz wasn't unbanned yet. So, no. The system is fine as it is.

-Rick

Partially, as I was looking through other bans that did the same things that Sarah did. I found it amazing how much it varied between people. It seemed a bit biased based, because certain individuals dislike a person.

Show me what is unjust or not strict, if you are referring to past bans that's understandable we were more loose. But lately it's been more strict and extended ban times so I don't see the issue.

I think rokkr kind of answered some of my questions and concerns. Rick I really appreciate your hard effort of actually reading and analyzing the system instead of quoting something your friend said. I see the system in the past has worked well with your bans. Thanks for your observations. I mean since you think this was focused on 1 person you don't like it's a bad idea. I really appreciate your well thought out comment, and the effort you put into it.

[Soul K]

Keep it simple.
Swearing/ spamming = 1 day ban. Repeating it jumps to a week. 3rd offense and needs to appeal it if to keep playing on Minerealm

Griefing / Hacking = Banned and only unbanned depending on their appeal and the process.

[dlgn]

Keep it simple.
Swearing/ spamming = 1 day ban. Repeating it jumps to a week. 3rd offense and needs to appeal it if to keep playing on Minerealm

Griefing / Hacking = Banned and only unbanned depending on their appeal and the process.

How about, Rokkr decides individually for each case?

EDIT: That's basically what I meant although it didn't sound like it. I'm just tired of noobs or frustrated players who want unbans or know-it-alls who can't leave alone trying to cook up overcomplicated completely systemated unban systems that make no sense whatsoever except as a way of giving players far too many chances.

[Rokkrwolf]

Keep it simple.
Swearing/ spamming = 1 day ban. Repeating it jumps to a week. 3rd offense and needs to appeal it if to keep playing on Minerealm

Griefing / Hacking = Banned and only unbanned depending on their appeal and the process.

How about, Rokkr decides individually for each case?

As I said I already have a system like he is suggesting mine is different but depending on the case and situations the dates will vary regardless. I never go below my minimum so it's generally what I set or longer.

[Twiztidguy]

know-it-alls who can't leave alone trying to cook up overcomplicated completely systemated unban systems that make no sense whatsoever except as a way of giving players far too many chances.

Wow tell me that wasn't directed at me. "Know-it-alls" Looks like another insult brotato. keep it up, you are starting to make me look good. For the record systemated isn't a word. I think you were looking for 'systematic'.

[dlgn]

That wasn't aimed at you specifically, just at everyone who makes these threads despite the fact that Rokkr has things under control.

Please stop trying to get me to flame, it won't work and it ruins the fun for everyone.

~dlgn