[Twiztidguy]

Basically everyone knows the rules... hacking definitely deserves punishment. Nobody likes a hacker, not even a hacker lol. In a nutshell what I am getting at is a fair system in which a permanent ban is necessary. Some guidelines that will make it much easier for staff to determine if a player can't be trusted anymore and is deserving of a permanent ban. It will no longer depend on who it is. It is completely unbiased and doesn't matter how long the player has been a member. Keep in mind, people make stupid decisions. For example when I started playing minerealm I was new to public servers and I didn't like it. I evaded the filter not expecting to come back and was banned. Months later a friend encouraged me to come back. And now I am a loyal player...
Any staff can make the ban if it meets the criteria and no other staff or elder staff is needed. UNLESS the staff member initiating the ban is unsure if the player might be innocent or was banned for something that is 100% unwelcome yet outside of the stated rules.

A-Rank Ban - Permanent.
* 1st time - offenders of Large scale Griefing such as destroying someones house and destroying chests/items intentionally just for kicks. (it's a rule that doesn't even need to be stated. People who do this know that it is wrong.)
* 1st time - Advertising for another server.
* 1st time - attacking server. (disabling/DDOS'ing the server.)
* 2nd time - using a unwelcome hack/mod such flying, xray, or minimap. (It doesn't matter if you are 12 years old or 30... If you are smart enough to get the mods and hacks you know there is a possibility of being banned. Especially the second time!)
* 2nd time - disrespecting staff.
* 3rd time - caught evading swearing filter.
* 3rd time - offenders of looting/stealing. (For a third time? You should know by now.)
* 3rd time - auto banned for swearing, the appeal is invalid. (Which personally I feel is unnecessary since there is a filter but it's not my server so it's not my call.)
* 3rd time - Small scale griefing. (digging into somebody's tunnel/rail/house without fixing it and without permission.)
* 4th time - Harassing/Bullying a player.
* 4th time - Spamming after being warned.

B-Rank Ban - 30 Days
* 1st time - using hack/mod. (Everyone has a moment of weakness... As I have stated in other posts. Give this person a second chance to see if he/she just had a weak moment or they are committed to breaking rules.
* 1st - time disrespecting staff
* 2nd - time - Small scale Griefing. Such as digging through a rail which is on public land and not fixing it.
* 2nd - time caught evading swearing filter.
* 2nd - time -Auto banned- for swearing.
* 2nd - time looting/stealing
* 3rd - time Harassing/Bullying a player.
* 3rd - time Spamming after being warned by staff and players.


C-Rank Ban - 3 days
* 1st - time looting/stealing
* 1st - time Small scale Griefing.
* 1st - time caught evading swearing filter.
* 1st - time *Auto banned* for swearing. (You already get an automatic warning so doing it twice, you know the consequences.)
* 2nd - time Harassing/Bullying a player.
* 2nd - time Spamming after being warned by staff and players.

D-Rank Ban - 1 Day
* 1st - time Harassing/Bullying a player. (Publicly and personally calling them stupid or idiot, or just being blatantly disrespectful)
* 1st - time Spamming **after** being warned by staff/players and bot.
* 1st - time offense of any small rule (unstated) that is broken which doesn't have much impact on the server or fellow players.

A public record will be kept following the ban/appeal of each player breaking rules. This will help shorten the time that it takes for an appeal to be accepted/denied and the time consumed from staff analyzing how long they think the ban should be for. It is fair and unbiased and should keep many minerealm players from breaking rules. This should equal a happier player and staffed server.

I took a LOT OF TIME thinking about this. I really encourage people to also think about the benefits our server would get. After being permanently banned you have nobody to blame but yourself. Nobody fired the last shot, the rules were clearly stated. If you were banned permanently by advertising or attacking the server well duh it doesn't even deserve a warning.
Thanks for opportunity to suggest something to the server I most enjoy.
~TwiztidGuy~

[Twiztidguy]

I can't edit it now but I'm doing my best to buffer anything I have left out.

*This fits into the B Rank ban ***30 days*** A C-rank/D-rank appeal which shows no signs of remorse such as "I'm sorry or I will try to fix whatever I did" Any appeal that doesn't apologize is automatically a B rank. (This does not pertain to appeals that are not sure of what they did) If they are told the infraction they have made after their appeal and are blatantly lying the B Rank ban sticks. If they apologize after they have been explained to of their infraction and they are 51 percent of votes or more (players asking for their ban to have forgiveness) the ban drops down to the pertaining C/D Rank ban. ***This will weed out the lyers... Know what you did wrong and apologize or there is a possibility of being banned longer then was initially given do to the criteria stated.***

Once again. A-Rank bans are not tolerated, the appeal is unwelcome and will not be lifted.

[x998monsterx]

Good idea, this could work well. The only problem is maybe alt accounts?

[Twiztidguy]

Good idea, this could work well. The only problem is maybe alt accounts?

Yeah i'm a bit ignorant on the detecting of alt accounts... As far as I know every minecraft account is a payed for account. I have no idea how an alt is done without purchasing a new minecraft account. I will leave that to staff to determine.

[society]

IMO, this list is overly complicated and seemingly imbalanced on some points (i.e. advertising another server is a permaban while harassing/bullying another player is ONE DAY?). One of the factors you need to remember here is each staff member brings a subjective opinion to a ban, so it's not always 100% cut & dry to where it can be matched up to a decision matrix.

I think the current system of all bans being permanent until appealed works well for a server of this size.

[Prodigy9]

I like the idea of issuing guidelines about which offenses are considered to be the most severe, but I'd rather not restrict what punishments can be handed out. For example, if it becomes known that spammers are unbanned after a day, we're going to see a lot of spammers that stick around until they're eventually issued a permaban. This is not very different from the current system, in which spammers just get banned with no set unban date and don't bother appealing - the only difference is whether we have to wait for a ban after one round of spamming or several.

[Ryu Aurora]

Re: Your giant wall of text -

Bans are entirely at the discretion of Staff, and the general guidelines for bans have already been established.

A public record will be kept following the ban/appeal of each player breaking rules.

This is what the ban list, which is private for a reason, is for.

Good idea, this could work well. The only problem is maybe alt accounts?

I have no idea how an alt is done without purchasing a new minecraft account. I will leave that to staff to determine.

Alt accounts are typically detected via obscenely stupid people giving themselves away/IP checks. Also, yes, they are almost always acounts that have also been purchased, or occasionally gifted to someone.

I will leave that to staff to determine.

Which is already done.

This opinion is needlessly complicated, and does nothing new at all. It also indirectly requests a public ban list... an idea that routinely pokes it's head up for it's bi-monthly kick in the face/prompt drowning in a sea of reasons why it's an innefective and terrible idea, and that's about it.

No. -1.

[jackavsfan]

No. This is way too complicated. There are already minimum ban lengths for every offense. Whether or not to make them longer than that is totally up to staff.

Your system creates a difficult strain on the mods. When they want to ban somebody, they would have to go look them up in the ban list to see whether it is their first, second, third offense etc. instead of just banning them outright. That's a VERY annoying 1-2 minutes while a spammer may still be clogging up chat.

And as you know, Rokkr almost always delivers responses to ban appeals and has the final word on most appeals. He knows who he has or hasn't dealt with before and who can or can't be trusted. Your system would totally handcuff him into delivering bans of a certain length based on a chart rather than what the player actually deserves.

And what's up with the ban length jumping from 3 to 30 days? Now, we don't know all the particulars of the current ban system as it isn't made public in a formal sense (like a sticky explaining it), but some minimums are known, I.E. the minimum ban length for swearing is one week, regardless of who the player is. Other bans have a minimum length of 14 days. And that's fair, in my opinion. I also think that 3 days is too short in most cases with a griefing ban because it doesn't punish the player enough that they won't want to do it again. Same for spamming. 3 day ban for a second offense? When a spammer gets unbanned, he is often warned that he will be permabanned if he does it again. But you say it should be only 3 days?

Overall my impression of your system is that it's overly complicated, it fixes a problem which doesn't exist, it handcuffs staff, and would seriously slow down the process of banning players in-game.

[Twiztidguy]

I think the current system of all bans being permanent until appealed works well for a server of this size.

Appeals would still be needed to be unbanned. This was just a maximum amount of time a player can be banned after making the appeal.

A C-rank/D-rank appeal which shows no signs of remorse such as "I'm sorry or I will try to fix whatever I did" Any appeal that doesn't apologize is automatically a B rank.

I set nothing in stone... it doesn't come as is, and was only intended as an example.

This opinion is needlessly complicated, and does nothing new at all. It also indirectly requests a public ban list...

It doesn't have to be complicated... Ban the player for the infraction. After they post the appeal check the chart and bam throw the book at em.

For example, if it becomes known that spammers are unbanned after a day, we're going to see a lot of spammers that stick around until they're eventually issued a permaban

If a player comes back and breaks the same rule after just being unbanned... its clear he isn't sorry and a permanent ban is necessary.

And as you know, Rokkr almost always delivers responses to ban appeals and has the final word on most appeals. He knows who he has or hasn't dealt with before and who can or can't be trusted. Your system would totally handcuff him into delivering bans of a certain length based on a chart rather than what the player actually deserves.

If he knows who has dealt with before then it should make it that much easier to determine which rank the player is at. Not to mention there are more staff than just Rokkr. They can do their part as well, and even if they weren't there for the ban all they have to do is just look at the record and can deal with it themselves.

they would have to go look them up in the ban list to see whether it is their first, second, third offense etc. instead of just banning them outright. That's a VERY annoying 1-2 minutes while a spammer may still be clogging up chat.

You would ban them immediately... if they were looking it up while the player was still breaking the rule that would be stupid. As I stated before all bans are permanent until appealed.

[Eetrab]

How about no?

Every situation is different and demands a different type/length of punishment. Standardising something when there is no 'standard' to start off with is futile.