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#70243
TornadicManiac wrote:Here is a crazy idea. If you didn't pirate and illegally download in the first place, you wouldn't be upset about something like this. Just saying. :ugeek:
You must be one or both of the following:
a. New to the internet
b. Unaware of the multiple uses of Megavideo/Megaupload (i.e. not just pirating)
#70244
Wait.. It hasn't passed yet, if at all.. why are they doing it beforehand? I mean.. if it was that big of an issue, they would have done it a couple of years back..

What i dont get, why are the people who have the copyrighted things even bothered? They still have millions. It's not going to put a giant Dent in their paycheck if it hasnt already. -sigh- I think the US Govt needs to be more concerned about fixing our debt, rather than trying to control the uncontrollable. Seriously if the debts not fixed, i can see us all having to learn chinese within the next 20 years.
#70250
FlannyFlan wrote:Wait.. It hasn't passed yet, if at all.. why are they doing it beforehand? I mean.. if it was that big of an issue, they would have done it a couple of years back..

What i dont get, why are the people who have the copyrighted things even bothered? They still have millions. It's not going to put a giant Dent in their paycheck if it hasnt already. -sigh- I think the US Govt needs to be more concerned about fixing our debt, rather than trying to control the uncontrollable. Seriously if the debts not fixed, i can see us all having to learn chinese within the next 20 years.
Your first sentence is the question of the week--presumably there is something in the current law that allows them to do that (I couldn't see the Justice Dept blatantly violating the law by making illegal arrests--they're not idiots, so they wouldn't think they could do such a thing without being noticed). Of course, if the current laws allow arrests and site shutdowns, then the question becomes: why are SOPA and PIPA even needed? If they're redundant with existing laws, then their supporters just wasted a lot of political capital for no discernible purpose.

As for why they're even worried about copyright, I can totally understand why they want to crack down on piracy. It takes a ton of money to produce a movie / computer program / video game, so even though they're profitable in spite of piracy, there is still ample incentive to try further reducing it. Part of it could also be the principle of the matter, wanting to protect their property from theft.* But I do agree with you, that the national debt is a far greater problem and should therefore be a much higher priority (assuming you're in America like me... or alternatively, if you're in Greece). China makes me nervous, so I desperately wish we could start getting along better with Russia.



*Tangent:
I feel the need to explain myself here, as this can often spark an argument in discussions of copyright/piracy. Yes, in my view, some cases of digital piracy are basically the same as theft. I don't think the comparison applies to cases where someone pirates material that they wouldn't have bought if buying legitimately was the only option. But if you pirate material that you otherwise would have been happy buy at retail price, then you actually did deprive the director/programmer/whatever of a sale that they otherwise would have made. Because of the cost associated with producing the information in the movie/program/whatever, losing a sale in such a manner is a real loss to the copyright owner, since the retail price of the material reflects a great amount of expense beyond the production of a physical item like a DVD or CD.
#70256
sliothar16 wrote:Anonymous is just a bunch of computer nerds that like to mess around with the government. They really piss me off.
I think it's funny as all hell really.. I figured as soon as sites became tampered, anonymous or someone else would become the internet's Vigilante. Ah well..

Prod, Yes i realize it's stealing but they are making such a huge deal out of it.. Copyright laws say that you may copy for individual use, but not for monetary gain... Yeah those 2 sites had monetary gain from accounts they sell or whatnot.. but seriously.. not every single thing on megaupload was copyrighted. they could have gotten access somehow and had them delete all copywrited material, rather than shutting it down as a whole for people who make freeware such as novelty programs or hell, even MC texturepacks. there was another way to deal with Megaupload, and they took the easy, wrong way out.

As for megavideo.. yeah never really used it but like 3 times. dont know what they're all about.
#70258
FlannyFlan wrote:
sliothar16 wrote:Anonymous is just a bunch of computer nerds that like to mess around with the government. They really piss me off.
I think it's funny as all hell really.. I figured as soon as sites became tampered, anonymous or someone else would become the internet's Vigilante. Ah well..

Prod, Yes i realize it's stealing but they are making such a huge deal out of it.. Copyright laws say that you may copy for individual use, but not for monetary gain... Yeah those 2 sites had monetary gain from accounts they sell or whatnot.. but seriously.. not every single thing on megaupload was copyrighted. they could have gotten access somehow and had them delete all copywrited material, rather than shutting it down as a whole for people who make freeware such as novelty programs or hell, even MC texturepacks. there was another way to deal with Megaupload, and they took the easy, wrong way out.

As for megavideo.. yeah never really used it but like 3 times. dont know what they're all about.
Anon has actually crashed sites like this before. They are soon to become terrorists, in legal terms, I'd think.
#70279
FlannyFlan wrote:they could have gotten access somehow and had them delete all copywrited material, rather than shutting it down as a whole for people who make freeware such as novelty programs or hell, even MC texturepacks.
Agreed.
sliothar16 wrote:Anon has actually crashed sites like this before. They are soon to become terrorists, in legal terms, I'd think.
Perhaps some type of outlaw, but not terrorists. Pretty sure that legally, being defined as a terrorist involves using violence or threats of violence to advance a political goal. So trying to charge Anonymous members with terrorism would probably require arguing that denial of service attacks against websites constitute violence/threats... a bit of a stretch, I'd say.

There will probably be arrests of Anonymous members in the coming weeks, but it'll be for things like obstructing free flow of commerce or unlawful use of computers, or something like that.
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