[VincentMayer]

I have been on minerealms for years, i played back when it first started, i played again after the first reset. and i just started playing again. Where my friends and i started building there was no one around active, there was a few structures. while riding the subway lines i found an line out right next to where my friends and i selted. It was messy and didn't work very well. since i hadn't seen anyways around it for a few days i decided since it was on public land that i would be nice and fix it so that it worked well and had a proper station at the beginning and end. for other people that cam out there or others i know come on to build with us because walking from spawn to the very north of the map is long and high chances of dieing.

VVolfie claimed i griefed this location and insta banned me without any asking if i meant to greif this area.
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The track was already there, but was in a hard to get into hole in the ground and no station at the intersection at the dawnguard station, i left chests where they were. all i did was removed the wood walls to make the station. Does this look like a grief? to me it look like a nice safe station for everyone in the server to use. this was not intented to be a grief, not even in the slightest. if it was, i wouldn't have spend DAYS!!! on the server building up realms and buying even more land.


It was on public land, land i intended to buy to maintain the station. sorry if there was no signs for ownership or anyone using it, I didnt see anyhting about not buying realms if there are random bits of whatever on them. or anything about asking staff for every bit of land you buy. at this point in the servers life, everywhere has something on it whenever you buy a plot. Also needing to sit around waiting for a staff to check block logs is a bit silly.

Im also hearing now that the guy who called it a grief, the builder of this hut had been on the server for years, then why did he not buy this valuble piece of land to protect it if it meant this much to him.

From the rules thread
2. Please place a sign on your property, to claim the area.
3. Only build on land that has not been claimed, or that you have permission to build on

not only was he on server for years, in those years he never put up a simple sign so claim the area.

[VincentMayer]

I would also like to add that the mods are not handling this very profesionally. They are simply taking the word of one guy who didn't claim a place in any shape or form and catering just to him. If the mods had looked at the realm next door they would see what we had to been doing, griefers don't stay on servers to build a have fun, they come, grief then leave, that is a griefer. I was simply trying to better the server. If i had gotten any say at all in this, I would have apologized and ever fix it back the way it was, but i didn't get a say, i was guilty on the spot without any type of defense.

[Rokkrwolf]

Well where to start, you claim you didn't see anyone there for a few days so I'm guessing that makes it ok for you to just rip apart someone else's home? You had no right to touch that area even if you were trying to make it nice.

As far as I am aware you never once asked staff if the place was abandoned. Therefor you ripped apart a possibly griefed area because you wanted to make a train station at that exact spot. Which still eludes me why you need to rip apart someone's house to have it exactly on that specific spot.

Also needing to sit around waiting for a staff to check block logs is a bit silly.

Rules are rules, and when people don't follow the rules they end up here as silly as it is. We find it just as silly people can't just simply ask staff for such a trivial matter. I know you are going to say well waiting for them can take forever, well if you waited days to see if a player comes around surely you can wait a few more to verify a area is abandoned? Just seems like people try to bend the rules to make it sound like they are innocent to me.

"From the rules thread
2. Please place a sign on your property, to claim the area.
3. Only build on land that has not been claimed, or that you have permission to build on"

I put one of the most important part in bold because you guys don't seem to see it. Even if infamous didn't have a sign it wouldn't matter that house in question could belong to another player which *you didn't have permission to build/alter on. So where is your excuse now?

I would also like to add that the mods are not handling this very profesionally. They are simply taking the word of one guy who didn't claim a place in any shape or form and catering just to him. If the mods had looked at the realm next door they would see what we had to been doing, griefers don't stay on servers to build a have fun, they come, grief then leave, that is a griefer. I was simply trying to better the server. If i had gotten any say at all in this, I would have apologized and ever fix it back the way it was, but i didn't get a say, i was guilty on the spot without any type of defense.

How are we not handling it professionally you guys are trying to make it look like you did nothing. I'm not taking his word nor am I taking your word because neither one of you technically owned the area, as I said it could be another players house. I don't care what you built next door and that just reiterates the point, "Why did you have to build the train station there?" You have another area why couldn't be "next door?"

[VincentMayer]

the reason i say that is silly is because as i said, at this point in the servers life, there is random stuff/houses EVERYWHERE, you almost cant go into a public area without someones house being there. And asking mods 6 times a day to check an area can annoy the mods, add everyone in a server doing that and chances are the mods are going to get annoyed. you dont pester someone about everything, thats how you make people angry.

Honestly, tell me how many people on the server ask before buying a spot, if you honestly answer everyone on the server and say none of the mods get sick of being asked 100 times a day, i will be absolutely amazed and props to you guys.

with the second part, in that rule is the or, Or makes it either do the one before, or the one after, not both. that would require and AND. as i am a computer major and have taken lots of coding classes, i know how to use OR and AND very well.

I also didnt want to rerout the track. and even if i had, youd still have banned me for "griefing" the track.

[Rokkrwolf]

the reason i say that is silly is because as i said, at this point in the servers life, there is random stuff/houses EVERYWHERE, you almost cant go into a public area without someones house being there. And asking mods 6 times a day to check an area can annoy the mods, add everyone in a server doing that and chances are the mods are going to get annoyed. you dont pester someone about everything, thats how you make people angry.

Why else would we keep telling players to tell us if it annoyed us? We want you to make sure so we avoid situations like this.

Honestly, tell me how many people on the server ask before buying a spot, if you honestly answer everyone on the server and say none of the mods get sick of being asked 100 times a day, i will be absolutely amazed and props to you guys.

with the second part, in that rule is the or, Or makes it either do the one before, or the one after, not both. that would require and AND. as i am a computer major and have taken lots of coding classes, i know how to use OR and AND very well.

I also didnt want to rerout the track. and even if i had, youd still have banned me for griefing the track.

Well be amazed then because as I said we rather have players be secure and make sure they aren't going to be banned over a little hut ect.

That can still be argued seeing as a house was built on the area you touched. Was it your house? Honest answer? I bet it's not therefor it's not your's to touch either way. If you wanted to connect a line to the track that's a different story. You would have been adding a addiiton to the track not griefing seeing as you would have connected your line to it. Even then you should still probably message the subway team so they can make sure you add you to the map and or help with the project of build a line to your area. They will do all that for you.

Either way you ripped apart a building without staff permission, stop looking at it from one perspective and look at it from another. Say you were banned, like you are now, and had a unban date, surely you wouldn't be able to get on for a few days. So someone would waltz into your home and modify it because they thought it was abandoned and wanted to make it look better. Then you come back what's your first initial thought? This guy griefed my home.

And guess what he would be banned just as well because he didn't have permission and didn't ask staff for permission. You see where I am going with this?

[VincentMayer]

the reason i say that is silly is because as i said, at this point in the servers life, there is random stuff/houses EVERYWHERE, you almost cant go into a public area without someones house being there. And asking mods 6 times a day to check an area can annoy the mods, add everyone in a server doing that and chances are the mods are going to get annoyed. you dont pester someone about everything, thats how you make people angry.

Why else would we keep telling players to tell us if it annoyed us? We want you to make sure so we avoid situations like this.

Honestly, tell me how many people on the server ask before buying a spot, if you honestly answer everyone on the server and say none of the mods get sick of being asked 100 times a day, i will be absolutely amazed and props to you guys.

with the second part, in that rule is the or, Or makes it either do the one before, or the one after, not both. that would require and AND. as i am a computer major and have taken lots of coding classes, i know how to use OR and AND very well.

I also didnt want to rerout the track. and even if i had, youd still have banned me for griefing the track.

Well be amazed then because as I said we rather have players be secure and make sure they aren't going to be banned over a little hut ect.

That can still be argued seeing as a house was built on the area you touched. Was it your house? Honest answer? I bet it's not therefor it's not your's to touch either way. If you wanted to connect a line to the track that's a different story. You would have been adding a addiiton to the track not griefing seeing as you would have connected your line to it. Even then you should still probably message the subway team so they can make sure you add you to the map and or help with the project of build a line to your area. They will do all that for you.

Either way you ripped apart a building without staff permission, stop looking at it from one perspective and look at it from another. Say you were banned, like you are now, and had a unban date, surely you wouldn't be able to get on for a few days. So someone would waltz into your home and modify it because they thought it was abandoned and wanted to make it look better. Then you come back what's your first initial thought? This guy griefed my home.

And guess what he would be banned just as well because he didn't have permission and didn't ask staff for permission. You see where I am going with this?

OK im sorry i took down 3 walls and a ceiling and built a station instead of not messing with it at all. that was a bad move on my part and i admit that, i already have. but being banned without word from a mod or the owner has put me on the defensive, so now i am defending my reasoning. If i was in that guys shoes i would have said ohh darn and moved on. why? because thats why the realm system is there isnt it, to protect your areas and thats why you buy them. i have built in public land before and had it torn up, i didnt call out to the mods, because it was on public land. public land is meant to be built on as its the only place you can untill you have credits, and knowing that, you fully know your area is open to anyone that passes through it.

Then going and throwing the rules in the faces of the banned when your saying one things and the rules say something different just creates problems and confusion for everyone. I would say please fix the rules. so this doesn't happen.

here is how i understood the rule.

"3. Only build on land that has not been claimed, or that you have permission to build on"

senario 1 -- Only build on land that has not been claimed. - ok so no sign, i can build here.

senario 2 -- Only build on land that has not been claimed, or that you have permission to build on - ok there is a sign, but i dont have permisson, i cant build here.

senario 3 -- land is claimed and i have permission -- ok i can build here.

This situation is senario 1.


"Only build on land that has not been claimed, and that you have permission to build on"
This rule here makes soooo much more sense and can not be argued against at all.

I was simply following the rules as i read them. I am sorry that this has ended in such a mess, and was not my intention.

[Rick]

From what I've learned on the server, this is how I interpret this rule.

If nobody actually said,"Here, build on this land and make it look nice", then don't touch it. Simple as that.

I learned that the hard so I'm trying to save you the trouble of another page of back and forth arguments.

-Rick

[VincentMayer]

From what I've learned on the server, this is how I interpret this rule.

If nobody actually said,"Here, build on this land and make it look nice", then don't touch it. Simple as that.

I learned that the hard so I'm trying to save you the trouble of another page of back and forth arguments.

-Rick

This would be a word of mouth rule, and so how would someone who's not been on the server for a long time know this. It just creates problems, like this one.

[Rokkrwolf]

If i was in that guys shoes i would have said ohh darn and moved on. why? because thats why the realm system is there isnt it, to protect your areas and thats why you buy them. i have built in public land before and had it torn up, i didnt call out to the mods, because it was on public land. public land is meant to be built on as its the only place you can untill you have credits, and knowing that, you fully know your area is open to anyone that passes through it.

Greifing isn't allowed anywhere even on public land hence "No griefing" Just because you don't want to bother staff with a matter is beyond me if someone touched my stuff first thing I would do is call for staff. You claim to have been here since the beginning so you should know that Griefing is never allowed.

Then going and throwing the rules in the faces of the banned when your saying one things and the rules say something different just creates problems and confusion for everyone. I would say please fix the rules. so this doesn't happen.

here is how i understood the rule.

"3. Only build on land that has not been claimed, or that you have permission to build on"

senario 1 -- Only build on land that has not been claimed. - ok so no sign, i can build here.

senario 2 -- Only build on land that has not been claimed, or that you have permission to build on - ok there is a sign, but i dont have permisson, i cant build here.

senario 3 -- land is claimed and i have permission -- ok i can build here.

This situation is senario 1.

"Only build on land that has not been claimed, and that you have permission to build on"
This rule here makes soooo much more sense and can not be argued against at all.

I was simply following the rules as i read them. I am sorry that this has ended in such a mess, and was not my intention.

I will reword it since apparently people don't seem to understand a building that was built by a player is technically owning a area. Let me put it this way, you keep saying "There was no sign" ok I understand that but how are you sure the sign wasn't griefed? I mean as I said there is more than one situation with a problem, just because you don't see a sign doesn't mean a area isn't claimed. Hence why we push players to ask us if they can take down/modify areas.

[VincentMayer]

you keep saying griefing, griefing is done on purpose with the whole reasoning being to ruin someone else day. this WAS NOT A GRIEF.