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By Lightbulbs
#20846
I still vote this rule book be changed to "We can ban whoever for whatever if we feel like it".

I mean, who really cares about the rest of the rules when admin discretion says "We don't need to actually follow the rules here".
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By cerevox
#20849
I know. But from what i have heard, that section was added in by special request for someone else, so i am not sure panther realizes it pretty much invalidates the entire rule book. Well, whatever. Panthers seems intent on turning the rules into an imitation of the US tax code and far be it from me to stop him on his march to glory.
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By Kojaimea
#20851
cerevox wrote:I know. But from what i have heard, that section was added in by special request for someone else, so i am not sure panther realizes it pretty much invalidates the entire rule book. Well, whatever. Panthers seems intent on turning the rules into an imitation of the US tax code and far be it from me to stop him on his march to glory.
It clearly is not a set book of rules (Yes I read the title of the thread) for people to follow, if it is actually intended to be that then I will be pretty shocked.

However I think it is useful to use as rough guidelines, I often refer to it when their are no mods/admins online and I just want to clarify.
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By Lightbulbs
#20852
I think my issue here is that the rule book is no longer something to be used during an appeal, which is how I got out of all my bans, but something the mods make purely to use against you.

Something in the rulebook say what you did was bannable? Mods point it out and celebrate.
Nothing in the rulebook say what you did was bannable? Mods point out admin discretion and celebrate.

This basically means appeals have no point, since no matter what you actually did you will be found guilty, so the only thing that determines whether you get unbanned or not is the severity of your crime and the severity of your grovelling. If we are going to have this system, we might as well introduce a strike system since permanent bans have no meaning anymore.
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By cerevox
#20854
Kojaimea wrote:However I think it is useful to use as rough guidelines, I often refer to it when their are no mods/admins online and I just want to clarify.
Well be careful doing this. According to 7.6 and 7.9, if you mistype any part of your explanation of the rules, that's a bannable offense if they claim you lead them to misunderstanding the rules(7.9) or if your interpretation differs in any way from panther's that's a bannable offense too if anyone acts on a misunderstanding(7.6).


Lightbulbs wrote:so the only thing that determines whether you get unbanned or not is the severity of your crime and the severity of your grovelling
This has always been true. There is only like 1-2 mods who still take the rule book seriously. Everyone else including the admins just goes on instinct for both bans and appeals. At this point it is almost like panthers is writing the rule book for those of us who pick at it, not for those who actually enforce the rules.


Edit: Just realized 7.9 only applies to claiming things that are bannable are not. If you claim something that is not a bannable offense is one, there is no punishment.
that informing player is responsible should the questioning player carry out that actually illegal action.
So if they do not get banned for something, the player is in the clear. I feel like claiming using cobblestone is a bannable offense. As long as no one gets banned for it, its not breaking the rule.
By panthers17nfl
#20866
The Book of Rules as it stands is a conglomeration of concurring opinions within the staff, and I try what I can to recreate it in an agreed upon form. The result is highly specific rules.

The Book isn't something for the average player to read while he drinks his coffee. It's a document put in place so we as the Staff have some reference as to how to act in certain scenarios. You cry about our inconsistency; the Book is the attempt to create consistency. You cry about complicated concepts, then don't read them and be a good Samaritan do the best of your ability. You cry about loopholes and other flaws, but feel either too lazy to make a legitimate argument, or cannot truly find any glaring flaws.

Intelli has seven official server rules, and they are at Spawn. What you read here you need not kid yourself about being able to understand, as it is mainly for the Staff's eyes. The only reason I post this Book publicly is written in the disclaimer.


And for the record, you gentlemen create the highly specific environment. Cerevox, if you could bother yourself to remember past occurrences in this thread, you decide to make very clear that you love absolute, fine point, specific rules and guidelines. When I am "ambiguous" you cry about how you don't understand it. You even go on to say things such as:
Also, on the trading theft, it needs some clarification.
You need to specify that hacking includes mods that alter movement speed or direction
Spawn camping is still not defined.
This list of rules has a few places where it goes all soft and squishy by being either vague or unsure. These are the rules. They should be 100% solid. No coulds, or mights, or maybes. Define everything. Be exact and precise. It is either against the rules, or its not. If you absolutely must be ambiguous then use phrases like "At the mod's discretion" or something similar so that the rules themselves are exact and un-arguable while the mods have more flexibility.
This is my favorite one^. You instigate Administrator Discretion, and then decide to begin ripping on how unfair and unpredictable it is.
Also, 4.1 is going to get abused. Swearing lightly as in what? My definition of lightly and yours and everyone else's is sure to be different.
I actually agree and am en route to fixing this section. My point here is regarding a point I did not exactly clarify, and you proceeded to bug me.
The moment that more than one person is interpreting that, you will have as many different views as you do people. Its vague and cryptic and not useful at all.
What are those situations you might ask? Well, there is not defined list, just a vague and cryptic / ... And lightly? What words are light swearing and what is heavy? Or is it the number of swear words used? Or perhaps some combination of the two?
On the flip side, the rules are trading are exact and specfic. Almost so exact as to be silly. I don't think they will work, but i do like them. There is no question on how the trading rules work. The other additions, 4.1 and 8.1, and so vague as to be useless.
I prefer tyranny to ambiguity any day.

And then you decide to switch gears almost by magic:
Your rules have become so absurdly complex that they have gone from funny and worth laughing at to almost embarrassing to be seen in the same room with.

In short, just read my first few paragraphs. There are seven server rules. And then there is this unofficial Book of Rules, used more-so as a guideline on our part in order to create some consistency. I share it with you with the hopes that you can better understand how will react to certain scenarios.
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By Lightbulbs
#20867
panthers17nfl wrote:the Staff have some reference as to how to act in certain scenarios.
Except for when you disregard the rules when you don't find it convenient.

Do you actually believe what you are saying, or are you just raging at Cere to maintain dignity?
By panthers17nfl
#20872
Lightbulbs wrote:
panthers17nfl wrote:the Staff have some reference as to how to act in certain scenarios.
Except for when you disregard the rules when you don't find it convenient.

Do you actually believe what you are saying, or are you just raging at Cere to maintain dignity?
Can you name me an occurrence or two where I severely diverged from how the Book tells me to act? Or are you just talking out of your ass again >>
By panthers17nfl
#20878
I'm not reading an entire thread to argue one point. Also, does your pinpointing of one thing I said in that wall of text mean you agree with everything else? I assume as much.

If your grievance is of your own ban, then I don't see much to argue. You say you hate MineRealm anyway, why want to come back? You admitted to mass stealing, so why would we let you come back? You have on numerous occasions harassed players both forum-side and in-game (when the latter was still a possibility) to an extreme, so why would we let you come back?

I understand the possible argument you may have though: Panths: you didn't know this stuff until after I was banned. How the hell is the latter paragraph even close to being an argument?

Well that's not my argument. I just like emphasizing that regardless of what you try to / succeed in proving to me, you are not coming back.

Anyways, more on topic: In that particular case, you were participating in PvP in a realm where it is said that no PvP is to occur. Call it a glitch, and exploit, whatever you want to. I simply call it a rule infraction. Also note that in today's game, we ban people without blinking for setting others on fire (or well, we did weeks ago; fire cannot be used within 100 blocks of spawn now and so the issue has more or less subsided).

That ban request alone isn't what gets you banned. The first time you were banned was for a purely idiotic mistake on your part, and we could have been done with you at that point. But still you live. A bundle of awful ban requests compiled with a few decent ones later, and you find yourself banned again. But still, you come back, out of mercy, if you will. And then your return causes so much frustration that we ban you again just for that. Sorry if I got the order wrong here, but the point is you have been banned / close to being banned multiple times for various reasons. Let the record show that your case is unique enough that I can safely say no rule need exist to deal with your type.

A bit long of a response to deal with such a weak argument, but oh well.
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