[VincentMayer]

isnt arguing the ban the point of this forum? especially if you thought you were in the wrong, or made a mistake and are sorry about it.

if not then why is this here....

You called me a griefer, so i simply argued my view as to why i am not.

You keep throwing word of mouth rules at me and your specific definition of a slag word that 95% of the internet agrees on as something else. If it isn't something else then it should have been stated next the the word on the rules in the forum.

I am not contesting my guilt, But i am contesting the cruel punishment that i have been given. on these forums here i am explaining why it has occured, and you keep telling me i am some ban worthy griefer even when i explain that i am purposely trying to better the server?

Well let me first say we are arguing over different things

You are arguing about the stuff posted here - http://minerealm.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=119 - Which is very old needs to be updated, granted those are pretty much the rules.

The actual rules are here - http://minerealm.com/community/viewtopi ... =20&t=4200

Again you are still arguing semantics just because the internet perceives something doesn't make it correct. Nor does it make everyone's definition of it exactly the same.

If you aren't contesting the fact you are guilty, then why would you contest the punishment?
If you aren't guilty then surely you wouldn't be punished. Either way you destroyed someone else's work without permission, so you will server the time just like anyone else.

I contesting the ban because thats what happened, like i said, i got not warning on anything (and ive seen others get one), i was simply banned. ok, i broke the law, so what my punishment, perma ban or temp ban, how am i supposed to know either way unless i post here in the forums. if you would have stated in your first post that it was a temp ban, then that would have been the end of it and i would have happily waited how ever long it was. but you didnt, you stuck to calling me a griefer no matter how i defended myself.

that posting of a rule thread burried in the forums in god know where shouldn't be viable, its not a sticky anywhere i can find so how would i know there was something like that here. i also never saw a thread address in the game info area. And it still doesn't define your definition of griefing. it may say something about buying a realm someone is building in. and if purchased basically give it all back. yea.... i didnt get that chance.

SO if your talking about if griefing cant be agreed upon then fine, i will accept that. because its there.
so i'm a griefer by that post, fine, but i didn't do it on purpose or with malicious intent.

Why didnt you post this sooner, would have saved us both alot of time.

and i would also like to actually know what my punishment will be.

[FDX]

*eats popcorn*

Your punishment is a ban. It may be long now that you have argued with a staff.
Good Luck being unbanned though

[Rokkrwolf]

I contesting the ban because thats what happened, like i said, i got not warning on anything (and ive seen others get one), i was simply banned. ok, i broke the law, so what my punishment, perma ban or temp ban, how am i supposed to know either way unless i post here in the forums. if you would have stated in your first post that it was a temp ban, then that would have been the end of it and i would have happily waited how ever long it was. but you didnt, you stuck to calling me a griefer no matter how i defended myself.

Well technically all bans are permanent unless they appeal which you have. As far as a warning I am unsure as to that situation as I didn't ban you. I only continued to post to show why you were banned and the reasoning. Looking over it all it was mostly misunderstanding but you still destroyed someone else's property.

that posting of a rule thread burried in the forums in god know where shouldn't be viable, its not a sticky anywhere i can find so how would i know there was something like that here. i also never saw a thread address in the game info area. And it still doesn't define your definition of griefing. it may say something about buying a realm someone is building in. and if purchased basically give it all back. yea.... i didnt get that chance.

It's a sticky at the top of the bans sections. Where else would you place it? The best area to place the rules would be where/why players get banned would it not? As far as defining the definition of griefing well as I said that is subjective.

"if purchased basically give it all back. yea.... i didnt get that chance" The difference between a situation like that and your's was you never purchased the area, you just destroyed the building and made a new building/train station. So you can't compare two different situations. If you had purchased it prior to destroying it that may have played out differently. Even still you need a viable reason to purchase someone else's property.

SO if your talking about if griefing cant be agreed upon then fine, i will accept that. because its there.
so i'm a griefer by that post, fine, but i didn't do it on purpose or with malicious intent.

Why didnt you post this sooner, would have saved us both alot of time.

and i would also like to actually know what my punishment will be.

I never said you did it with malicious intent, I was just stating it is in fact still griefing. Yes you were trying to make it better, but you should of consulted with staff prior to modifying the area.

As for a punishment, I will look over the entire situation again and get back to you.

[VincentMayer]

I didn't ever find a link to it from anywhere else and i have no reason to come to the ban section untill after its done and i have to try apealing it, that really sucks. And i am only saying this because i really would like the rules to be updated and made more understandable so this doesn't happen to someone else. please add new rules, such as asking to buy land that doesnt seemed used and so on that i could not find covered anywhere in a rule thread. and make them easier to find, not just in the ban section.


I will wait for a verdict on what my final punishment will be.

[ghastly18]

you want to play on this server right? then i suggest you start being such an arse and just admit you were wrong.

[FDX]

Y'know. There is this thing called common sense you could use...
Or you make a thread trying to win your case

[VincentMayer]

Y'know. There is this thing called common sense you could use...
Or you make a thread trying to win your case

I've heard common sense and real life examples thrown at this situation. Here is some for you. you don't go into town and say... leave your bike not chained to a pole or bike rack and expect it to be there when you return, you don't leave your car unlocked anywhere. If you lose something in the world, its up to you to find it, and its your own fault for losing it, you don't try and throw someone in jail because they found something with no markings or name, or anything on it. The only way to insure that something is yours and it stays that way is to protect it, if you fail to do so, then you are the one at fault. This can obviously just go back and forth for ever, I've said i'm sorry and was in the wrong many times in here, yet people keep saying i'm

being such an arse

when i'm simply trying to bring up the point that the rules are not clear or just plain don't cover some things, are hard to find, a new/returning players shouldn't have to browse these forums for hours to find every rule of the server and go around asking all the old players for the rules that are not ANYWHERE that is easily found, how many users do you think come to the forums, i'd bet only the active ones that decide to stay after being on the server for a while. And the signs at spawn are pretty much the same as the old post that intelli made back in 2010 so they aren't any better. Obviously I cant go look at them right now to check though.

And as for trying to defend that i'm not a griefer, i'm sorry, but the mods definition of griefing is just not what the rest of the internet says it to be, even if it is a made up word and not in the webster dictionary, at the rate that tech and the people who use it move, dictionaries simply don't keep up with all the new words for things. And the only way to know what it is, unless definied by the mods in the rules post, is to do a google search, and everything I looked at, Dictionary(dot)com, urban dictionary, minecraft wiki all pretty much say the same thing. So that's what me, and many others will go by.

As I said, I've apologized for the building over and over again, and that is now up to the mods. Never was I disrespectful, I was simply pointing out my understanding of things as I have come to see them over the years of playing online games and everything I have every heard or read. I don't like being called a griefer, as I am sure no one does.

[adiosToreador]

[dlgn]

Bad attitude, whether or not you "griefed", you disturbed someone else's stuff:

1. Don't disturb other people's stuff

And even if you leave your car unlocked, someone would still be sent to jail for stealing it. Anyway, you show no remorse, and I believe that if we unbanned you you would do nothing but hang around and cause trouble.

-1

~dlgn

[VincentMayer]

I believe that if we unbanned you you would do nothing but hang around and cause trouble.

yes because i caused SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much trouble while i was on.

Someone makes 1 mistake then gets treated like a murderous criminal. Feels surprisingly like how the world is.

yes it was someone else stuff, it was also not claimed, it was also a square box of wood and seemed abandoned so i made a bad judgment call.. humans make mistakes, i'm sure you've made some. in fact, I know you have as your a banned player, till tomorrow at least, yet, you get a second, or maybe even third chance.