[awydontucry]

After gaining all the facts, and your brother being cool. This is my vote!

[VincentMayer]

also, please tell me where in the rules it stated to ask mods for permission to buy/build on public land. i have gone over them many times, it is not there.

[Rokkrwolf]

you keep saying griefing, griefing is done on purpose with the whole reasoning being to ruin someone else day. this WAS NOT A GRIEF.

Who said griefing is done on purpose? Not all griefing is done on purpose.

Greifing is destroying someone's stuff, regardless on purpose or not, which is what happened.

also, please tell me where in the rules it stated to ask mods for permission to buy/build on public land. i have gone over them many times, it is not there.

It's common knowledge, if you don't own it don't touch it. So if you don't own it you ask staff.

[VincentMayer]

you keep saying griefing, griefing is done on purpose with the whole reasoning being to ruin someone else day. this WAS NOT A GRIEF.

Who said griefing is done on purpose? Not all griefing is done on purpose.

Greifing is destroying someone's stuff, regardless on purpose or not, which is what happened.

From wikipedia
"A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways.[1] A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals.[2]
In the culture of massively multiplayer online role-playing games (MMORPG) in Taiwan, such as Lineage, griefers are known as white-eyed — a metaphor meaning that their eyes have no pupils and so they look without seeing. The behaviours which cause players to be stigmatized in this way include cursing, cheating, stealing and unreasonable killing.[3]"

This would fall under accident. and i have already stated i was sorry about it. im sorry if i take things literally, but thats how i am.

[Rokkrwolf]

From wikipedia
"A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways.[1] A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals.[2]
In the culture of massively multiplayer online role-playing games (MMORPG) in Taiwan, such as Lineage, griefers are known as white-eyed — a metaphor meaning that their eyes have no pupils and so they look without seeing. The behaviours which cause players to be stigmatized in this way include cursing, cheating, stealing and unreasonable killing.[3]"

This would fall under accident. and i have already stated i was sorry about it. im sorry if i take things literally, but thats how i am.

Your point? Griefer and griefing aren't even real words so as to a exact definition is up the people who perceive it. So your definition of it can be something completely different from another. Hence why some servers consider "Looting" as griefing instead of "looting." As well as some servers consider "Raiding" as looting instead of actual "Raiding."

[VincentMayer]

Im sorry, but i would say wikipedia's definition is the generally accepted one. so changing it solely for a single server or situation, again, just creates problems.

[VincentMayer]

look, ive already said i was sorry and it wasnt malicious in any way. if you are just gonna keep calling me a griefer, then so be it, nothing more i can do. i was simply trying to defend myself and apeal the ban.

[Rokkrwolf]

Im sorry, but i would say wikipedia's definition is the generally accepted one. so changing it solely for a single server or situation, again, just creates problems.

Well I'm sorry, a normal person doesn't take wikipedia as a viable source of information. We trust a real source of information like http://www.merriam-webster.com/

So as I said seeing as it isn't a real word it can be determined as anything.

look, ive already said i was sorry and it wasnt malicious in any way. if you are just gonna keep calling me a griefer, then so be it, nothing more i can do. i was simply trying to defend myself and apeal the ban.

Well there is a edit button up there ^ and I get that but you are the one arguing over semantics. I'm telling you why you were banned and you are arguing the fact that it shouldn't be so I will continue to tell you why.

[VincentMayer]

isnt arguing the ban the point of this forum? especially if you thought you were in the wrong, or made a mistake and are sorry about it.

if not then why is this here....

You called me a griefer, so i simply argued my view as to why i am not.


You keep throwing word of mouth rules at me and your specific definition of a slag word that 95% of the internet agrees on as something else. If it isn't something else then it should have been stated next the the word on the rules in the forum.


I am not contesting my guilt, But i am contesting the cruel punishment that i have been given. on these forums here i am explaining why it has occured, and you keep telling me i am some ban worthy griefer even when i explain that i am purposely trying to better the server?

[Rokkrwolf]

isnt arguing the ban the point of this forum? especially if you thought you were in the wrong, or made a mistake and are sorry about it.

if not then why is this here....

You called me a griefer, so i simply argued my view as to why i am not.

You keep throwing word of mouth rules at me and your specific definition of a slag word that 95% of the internet agrees on as something else. If it isn't something else then it should have been stated next the the word on the rules in the forum.

I am not contesting my guilt, But i am contesting the cruel punishment that i have been given. on these forums here i am explaining why it has occured, and you keep telling me i am some ban worthy griefer even when i explain that i am purposely trying to better the server?

Well let me first say we are arguing over different things

You are arguing about the stuff posted here - http://minerealm.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=119 - Which is very old needs to be updated, granted those are pretty much the rules.

The actual rules are here - http://minerealm.com/community/viewtopi ... =20&t=4200

Again you are still arguing semantics just because the internet perceives something doesn't make it correct. Nor does it make everyone's definition of it exactly the same.

If you aren't contesting the fact you are guilty, then why would you contest the punishment?
If you aren't guilty then surely you wouldn't be punished. Either way you destroyed someone else's work without permission, so you will server the time just like anyone else.