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By Rick
#165993
zach_hytre wrote:Sorry to all of you Xbox fans out there but this is the truth. Microsoft only cares about two things money and power. The added the ideas of making it so you always need internet (every 24 hours), you need a kinect for it to be used, and you cannot use used game for power. The ideas have caused everyone to want to change to PS so they changed their ideas back so they can still have money and some power.
If you owned a multi-billion dollar business and you released an idea that the world isn't ready for so they look to a different company, would you really still go along with that plan and lose thousands, possibly millions, of potential buyers to another company?

Microsoft isn't justabout money and power. The only way they could achieve money and power is to do what the people want. In the end, it may be about money and power but the process of which they go to earn that also includes listening to the people and catering to the majority's requests. That's just how business works. If you don't care about money and power, then you may as well not start a business.

Microsoft obviously made a mistake in believing the world was ready to switch to digital *snap* like that. But the people responded in saying they were not ready, not yet. So, even if you don't think they did, Microsoft listened, or else nothing would have changed.

Personally, I think it's unfortunate that we'll have to run games off of discs, but I can live with that. Microsoft just needs to take things slow and maybe in the next Xbox, start only selling exclusives digitally and then eventually, all games digitally. That gives people time to make that transition from physical copies to digital copies.

To summarize my view of this whole situation:

Microsoft is ambitious. They want to try new things instead making just another console that does the same thing as the last one but is just more powerful.

However...

Sony is "consumer-smart". They know what people want and they how to cater to that. Why do you think they waited until E3 to actually reveil the console? Because they knew what Microsoft made a mistake on and they knew how people felt about. Therefore, they took advantage of that and catered to people before Microsoft realized "Uh oh, this wasn't a good idea". Also notice PS+. $50 vs $60. This is because everyone knows that $50 is less than $60. Because what they are thinking is "Why not make people pay? As long as its less than Xbox Live, then people will pay because it's a better bargain." It's the little things they do that make it more appealing. It's smart.

tl;dr
Microsoft is ambitious. Sony is "consumer-smart".

-Rick
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By fndfilms
#166001
they actually stated that XBL will be $50 a year, but if your smart enough, and take the time to find it, you can get a gold membership card for around $25-$30. I have been doing that for 4 years now.

The things I will miss.

- No discs needed to play games
- Sharing unlimited games with my friends/family members, saving me and others on that plan hundreds of dollars.
- Digital resell of games.
- The potential for sales for games online ( we will never know if we would have gotten this or not, but it was a chance I was willing to take)

The DRM for me wasn't a big deal at all, I am connected to the internet almost all the time throughout the year, and if it would have gone down, well, I'll probably be at work or I will just go do something else. But its okay. When the next generation of consoles come out, Microsoft will be on top of it, and they will have the advantage. Either way, I'm still getting an xbox one as like before. Later, I may get a PS4

@Zach Don't think for one second that Sony isn't just in it for your money. Because they are just like any other company. Its all about the $$$$$$$$, that is all they care about.
#166005
"OMG M$ only cares aboot moniezz!!1!11!"

Well no duh, they're a business. They only care about sales and nothing else. The only reason they change anything is if they think it will make them more money. That is the point of a business. No business cares about you as a person; they care about you as a source of money.
By Exekiel
#166007
Rick wrote:Microsoft obviously made a mistake in believing the world was ready to switch to digital *snap* like that.

Personally, I think it's unfortunate that we'll have to run games off of discs, but I can live with that. Microsoft just needs to take things slow and maybe in the next Xbox, start only selling exclusives digitally and then eventually, all games digitally. That gives people time to make that transition from physical copies to digital copies.
I was thinking about this when the first announced it all, before the fallout began and I was thinking to myself how great it was that they had landed almost perfectly in the middle of disk/digital. Making it so old school people can buy disks if they want, but that the license was tied to the GT instead of the disk, obviously Microsoft & I forgot about the Wizards First Rule =P
fndfilms wrote:- No discs needed to play games
- Sharing unlimited games with my friends/family members, saving me and others on that plan hundreds of dollars.
FYI e announced on Twitter that games will still be available digitally on their release date (thank god) and since they're sticking to 360 DRM it would be safe to assume that digital copies should still come with two licenses (great for my wife and I as we have separate boxes) so it's not all bad news for people who are looking forward to the digital revolution.

I also have to laugh at the people who are adamantly against digital gaming as they're shooting themselves in the foot. Had a look at the prices for games on steam compared to console lately? :P
By Exekiel
#166016
Free games are only currently slotted to run until Dec 31st at this stage, wonder if it's a band-aid publicity thing, or if they are going to change it from 360 - 1 next year?
By Bu1ld0g
#166020
I think it's a publicity thing personally, they need to draw back the user-base they have alienated with all of their stupid ideas. Hence the U-turn and free game service for gold users.
And tbh, it's still not enough for me to renew my live service which I let expire last month.
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By Rokkrwolf
#166022
Bu1ld0g wrote:I think it's a publicity thing personally, they need to draw back the user-base they have alienated with all of their stupid ideas. Hence the U-turn and free game service for gold users.
And tbh, it's still not enough for me to renew my live service which I let expire last month.
I wouldn't say they are entirely stupid ideas, there were several major features that were definitely next gen/ should be used. But people whine enough they get their way. I still think they shouldn't of just completely 180'd but it seems they got lazy and instead of coming up with compromises they decided it was easiest just to wipe it back to 360. So essentially imo the Xbox One is now the Xbox 360¹.

As far as the free games, those were announced prior to all the features being fully announced so it has nothing to do with trying to pull people back.
By Exekiel
#166023
Rokkrwolf312 wrote:So essentially imo the Xbox One is now the Xbox 360¹.
To be fair that's really what they were aiming for. The 360 wasn't 'broken' so it didn't really need fixing, it was just at it's limit and needed an update.

That said:

New Features for XB1

-Crazy new kinect (lets not discuss the privacy thing, just the tech) if you haven't seen the tech demo it's pretty impressive
-Day 1 digitals (granted its a policy change not a hardware one, but still an XB1 thing)
-Blu-Ray (meh)
-Better OS with multitasking and smartmatch (woohoo!)
-New hardware/better graphics (given)
-Digital gaming and awesome DRM (woohoo!)
[.s]-Digital gaming and awesome DRM[./s] (woohoo!)

New Features for PS4

-New Hardware/better graphics (given)
-Multiplayer is now Pay-to-Play (LoL)
-Anyone heard anything else? (?)

Looks to me that PS3.1 is more accurate than Xbox 360¹
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By Ratta237
#166026
Exekiel wrote:
Rokkrwolf312 wrote:So essentially imo the Xbox One is now the Xbox 360¹.
To be fair that's really what they were aiming for. The 360 wasn't 'broken' so it didn't really need fixing, it was just at it's limit and needed an update.

That said:

New Features for XB1

-Crazy new kinect IS STILL USELESS(lets not discuss the privacy thing, just the tech) if you haven't seen the tech demo it's pretty impressive
-Day 1 digitals (granted its a policy change not a hardware one, but still an XB1 thing)
-LAST GEN Blu-Ray (meh)
-Better OS with multitasking and smartmatch USES 3GB OF RAM JUST SO YOU CAN SKYPE CALL FRIENDS WHILE WATCHING TV? (woohoo!)
-New hardware/better graphics (given)
-Digital gaming and awesome DRM (woohoo!)

New Features for PS4

-New Hardware/better graphics (given)
-Multiplayer is now Pay-to-Play (I AM COOL WITH THIS)
-Super Fast blu-ray
-New UI
-Dualshock 4 controller
-Day 1 digitals
-Gaikai streaming services
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