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By Rixih
#185337
G-Tus wrote:-snip-
So since not many people except the ones at spawn know the story (And apparently not even the one's at spawn, eh?) I figure why not explain it.

First off, I've no reason to lie over something like that. :P I was informed out of game that my tower was covered in lava. Stopping everything I was previously doing irl I go in game, and not intending to obviously fall into the lava I hadn't put my stuff away. It obviously was a dangerous thing that should be taken down right away. The lava itself was a very easy fix and usually jokes between Intelli and I. I know many people have witnessed him and I having fort fights, but this of course wasn't intended to be a fort lol.

In my attempt to remove a lava situation that was placed by one staff, I went to check the logs to correctly roll it back and was knocked into the lava by a different staff. Completely unbeknownst to me of course, since we weren't even talking. On my screen, lagging about, I tried to get out and failed, respawned back in and had none of my items. So after seeing no players where I had just died (in the lava) I automatically assumed my items to have been long gone. And stated whoever to have illegally pvp'd me into the lava was going to be banned. This wasn't horseplay, or fun, or joking between us.

If you take out the fact that he was a staff member, this is a player who killed me illegally causing me to lose all of my stuff. Who apparently thought it was comical to have broken the rules, at spawn, in front of everyone, expecting no consequences. Adding the fact that he was a staff member in my opinion only makes it more serious just by the fact that he knows the rules, and is one of the ones expected to enforce them.

I didn't ban him immediately, however, as fragile situations like these need to be talked through by the other staff members. (In fact, I didn't ban him at all.) And though in his mind maybe he was joking, he still broke the rules, and to me that's no excuse. People shouldn't just knock off whatever happened because we're both staff, because to you it somehow twists things around. If I had been a normal player around the lava, and he had been another normal player, what would have happened? Is it still harmless? Better yet, what if I hypothetically wasn't a staff, and he was? Would that somehow be more serious? Or would it still be "horseplay" merely because it's a staff member involved? Because I'm sure that most of you, having lost hours/weeks/months worth of hard earned items would feel the same sense of frustration I felt, despite by who's hands it was brought. If we're set in a way of thinking that staff can break the rules because they're staff, or because they're joking, then something obviously needs to be done.

*I want people to know that this is all speculation and explanation, not an attack of any form towards anyone involved. :)
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By Intelli
#185423
VVolfie wrote:And stated whoever to have illegally pvp'd me into the lava was going to be banned. This wasn't horseplay, or fun, or joking between us.
VVolfie wrote:I didn't ban him immediately

VVolfie wrote:In fact, I didn't ban him at all
BS. Rokkwofl312 banned him because you wanted him banned. Also convenient that this ban request was created by one of your guild members.

You're very much responsible for the ban, even if you're not the one who issued the command.

I don't support this ban, but BSG is shooting himself in the foot face by remaining mute. I mean, really BSG? Offer to replace her stuff, and move on.

I wasn't on when this went down. However, from the chatlogs:
07: [Server] VVolfie was burnt to a crisp whilst fighting BSGSamuel
08: [xxcrapperzxx] Lol bsg xD.
15: [VVolfie] Whoever the hell did that is getting banned.
21: [BSGSamuel] Sorry :p
I'm not going to defend BSG, as he should be defending himself. However, when something unfortunate happens, such as being slaughtered at spawn, your first comment probably shouldn't be threatening to ban the user. What if it was an accident? You're not really giving the player much of a chance to explain/apologize.

Anyways, to summarize.
  • VVolfie is responsible for BSGSamuel's ban. Don't PM me about it, it's not my call.
  • BSGSamuel needs to defend himself. Seriously.
  • Do not makes threats of bans without attempting to remedy the situation first.
By OrigamiElephant
#185432
It comes down to a matter of semantics. Harassing a player with eggs, snowballs, fishing poles, is usually met with a few warnings to stop annoying the player, but not an immediate ban.

This however is something else entirely. Intelli is absolutely right that BSG needs to come in here, man up, and tell us if he intended for VV to fall into the lava and lose her items.

If that is in fact the case (which by the chat logs the "sorry :P" leads me to believe it was his intention) it is illegal PVP and ANYONE gets banned for such things. There isn't a "whoever did that is getting banned" situation, it's a the mod was right there, witnessed the illegal pvp, and sought to take action.

Now yeah, it's a bit lame to have a guildmate file the ban appeal, and then have your boyfriend do the dirty work, but that's neither here nor there. The end result is the same. BSG stayed silent thus through inaction affirming his guilt, and he is suffering the consequences.
By BSGSamuel
#185433
My turn, I guess.

Recently there has been a decent amount of mucking about at spawn by staff and other players. The other day I took it too far by throwing an egg at VVolfie while she was removing lava. It was meant as a joke but wasn't received so well. As a result VVolfie lost a bunch of stuff, which was not my intention. I assumed she wouldn't have a ton of valuables on her, which once again shows that assumptions are the mother of all mess-ups.

I'm sorry for getting carried away and causing the trouble. Naturally, I can give you back the lost items if you wish (might need to give me some time for the enchanted items).

That's all I've got I'm afraid. Strictly speaking the ban is valid, the rest is up to you.

You can see this post/thread as my appeal, if I was to make a new thread I would essentially copy/paste this.
By Rixih
#185434
Not sure where to start here exactly, but I'll do my best to say everything I have to say.

BSG was not banned solely for illegal PVP, which is a direct violation of one of our rules. Players are not allowed to attempt to, or follow through with killing another player if they do not both have pvp on and/or consent to such a situation. Particularly when it's in a non-pvp area of the map. This includes, if not more so, when it's a staff member dealing with grief or any other type of staff related business.

In regards to the rules:
Spoiler:
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http://minerealm.com/community/viewtopi ... 2&start=30

http://minerealm.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=v&t=4200

"Q: If a player is throwing snow balls or hitting me with a fishing rod and I ask them to stop and they refuse what can I do?
A: Contact a staff member, they will be warned if they continue they can/will be banned for harassment."

Though these particular accounts are referring to if the player refuses to stop. It's kind of moot point to insist a player stop throwing snowballs/eggs/fishing rods having suffered the worst possible effect of this pvp incident.
A few examples of players being banned for killing a player
without pvp on/in a non-pvp area or while doing staff related duties: His ban also arose out of his ignoring the situation and failure to respond to the head admin when he was asked questions. In writing this it is not my intention to attempt to get a fellow staff member in trouble. I don't hold any grudge against him. Merely, I hope that we hold our own staff to the same standards, if not higher, that we hold everyone else to in our community to, young and old.

My initial statement following the incident was given out of anger, which is exactly the reason why I did not follow through with it. As a staff member I know that it is best to handle situations in a clear and level-headed manner, not when you are in an irritated or frustrated state. My statement following the incident was out of line. Granted no one is perfect, however, I would like to formally apologist to BSG for being so abrasive. I hope that you will accept my apology when you do choose to talk.

I chose to refer the situation to Rokkr, the head admin, which is standard practice for any staff queries or grievances. When BSG was confronted out of game, he stated that the incident was intended as a “practical joke.” This, coupled with the in-game comment of “sorry :P” indicated that he purposely engaged me in PVP, resulting in the death of my character, while I was in the course of conducting my staff duties of removing grief from a plot. He confirmed this when talking among and in front of other staff members; he stopped commenting shortly after this. BSG was banned for 1) breaking the rules set in place for players and staff alike and 2) ignoring the head admin when trying to address the situation.

The associations of me and BSG should not factor into this discussion. Society is a guild mate; however, he was also a witness to the incident. What he witnessed is corroborated by chat logs and by what I and BSG have both said. He posted his ban request only because he, too, “believe(s) in a fair gameplay experience for everyone.”

If neither of us were staff members, then this would likely not be such an ordeal. However, given both my and BSG’s staff status it seems like this has developed into a debate of who is right and who is wrong, when it should be on whether a rule was broken?

This ban was not my doing. I did not coax anyone to post, to comment, to vote, or to argue in game or on the forums. The only question that is relevant is whether BSG broke the rules by engaging in PVP on a non-consenting party. He admitted as much in game and to staff; he then ignored staff in their efforts to address the situation. I try my best to do what I think is right for this server. And with every situation deal with it as it’s called for. I urge BSG to post and to talk with Rokkr or myself about the situation.
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By Rokkrwolf
#185437
BSGSamuel wrote:The reason I didn't respond the night itself is because I had gone to bed.
As far as this response well... Torn had said he thought you went to bed, but when I confront you with a question like this

"That's illegal pvp why shouldn't I just ban you without question?"

Don't you think it's important to respond? Even if you said I am going to bed can we talk about this later? That would have been a normal response, but to stay mute for not only the night you stayed mute for over 36+ hours without a word. I'd have no issue with this if I didn't believe at this point it's just a random excuse.
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By SilentCitizen
#185445
Intelli wrote:Also convenient that this ban request was created by one of your guild members.
A witness to the situation is being discredited just because of association? Okay...
Intelli wrote:BS.
Since when was it okay to cuss on the forums. Yes, it is a shortened version of the two words, but if anyone else would have wrote that it would have resulted in a warning or ban.

ANYWAYS, back to the current topic. What I say can or will be considered irrelevant just because of assocation, but I'll say it anyways. Using snowballs to knock someone into lava is considered illegal pvp just like snowballing them into a nether portal just to kill them is the same thing. It's a rule and it was broken. Just because someone has a [Staff] tag means they shouldn't be banned even if it was "just joking around"? (This is what I'm gathering from what has been said so far. I was not on for this.).

The ban is fair in my eyes no matter who issued the command. Staff are supposed to show an example for the player base by following the rules, or has this changed? I don't think so.

In short this could have all been avoided if this topic had been accepted, but was rejected on grounds of there not being a poll: http://minerealm.com/c/v/7722
By Jeff_K_2000
#185449
I wouldve posted this days ago but my internets a jerk. Anycrap, I agree with Intelli. BS. Vv here me. You. are. reech. You could've easiler replaced that. Sammys a great member of the community, I cant beleive you got him banned for this. I'm utterly disgusted.
By DragonSlayer155
#185452
Jeff_K_2000 wrote:I wouldve posted this days ago but my internets a jerk. Any*snip*, I agree with Intelli. BS. Vv here me. You. are. reech. You could've easiler replaced that. Sammys a great member of the community, I cant beleive you got him banned for this. I'm utterly disgusted.
May want to edit that out. I'm not 100% sure thats legal :P

Either way, BSG should be locked in the same cell as intelli, with furrier handcuffs.
Intelli wrote:BS.
It doesn't say the full meaning. Younger audiences don't get it.
That said though, ftw (for the win) backwards, is commonly known throughout ages...
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