PvP / Griefing / Looting *Updated*
Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:40 pm
I'm writing this thread to clarify to the server some of the specifics that seem to be the source of a lot of arguments lately. I'll try to keep it as organized and short as possible
PvP
What is it?
PvP, or Player verus Player, is direct combat between two or more players, usually with swords or bows, but crazy people may prefer fists, others lava buckets. This combat can occur in the nether at all times and in the overworld when both players have /pvp on.
Killing people with PVP off
Don’t. You will be banned if you set them on fire, or if you dump lava on them. When PVP is off, you should not kill them.
Can I "steal" someone's items after they die?
You sure can. It's PvP, there are supposed to be consequences to dying. You have zero ability to complain that you've lost 10 stacks of diamond when you got killed in the wilderness and the guy didn't give them back. Why? You made the choice to turn on PvP or enter the nether, and you made the choice to travel with 10 stacks of diamond.
This means that we shouldn't hear any complaints about losing items in PvP, right?
I killed a guy with PvP off by setting him on fire, but he didn't have items!
Still banned. You are being banned for the action you committed, not the impact of that action.
So I got killed with PvP off. What happens to all of my items?
If you give us the name of the player who killed you, as well as exactly what items you were missing, we can try to get them back to do. Be aware though that with fire, most items are destroyed in your death. Even if some are kept by the player that killed you, keep in mind that we cannot guarantee their safe return to your pockets. The player may be banned before we get this opportunity, or other players may have grabbed the items. In this case, you are unfortunately out of items.
Griefing
What is it?
If you're somehow not familiar with it, griefing is the intentional destruction of one player's property (cobble walls, chests, doors, wheat, etc) or the addition of unwanted objects to said property (lava everywhere, water everywhere, obsidian everywhere, etc). As you probably are aware, this is unallowed in every instance on our server. In fact, my name is blue to prevent this from happening in the first place.
What can I do to prevent it?
Most griefing occurs around spawn, so the easiest thing to do is move away from spawn. You can also purchase a private realm that is protected. If you don’t have one yet, you can call a mod to check on damage and possibly roll it back. You should also place a block over chests so that we can see who removed it to get access to it.
How can I catch/ punish people who grief me?
Pressing F2 will take an immediate screenshot (don't worry, the lag is just processing the image, you really take the screenshot immediately) of what you are seeing on your screen. Through a quick process these .png files can be turned into viewable ones (.jpeg) on the forums. With these, post a topic regarding the player(s) you believed griefed you, as well as undeniable proof. NOTE: Without proof, your complaint will receive no response.
What constitutes as proof of griefing?
Having images of the griefers mid-act (using a bucket, breaking a block, near the broken material MAY even be interpreted alright) will be decent proof. FRAPS or other video recording software is even better. I can't stress this enough guys: I don't care how sad you are that you lost everything to a griefer you just witnessed. If you don't have undeniable proof that it occured with the accused player, I can't do anything to help you.
What should the MineRealm staff (mods, admins, whatever) do to help?
Besides ban/ interpret your griefer complaint, we can check who did the damage, and possibly roll them back. However, rollbacks may not occur immediately, or at all. Rollbacks cause large amounts of server strain, so when too many people are on, they can crash the server. For minor griefings, we will probably not rollback, and for larger griefings, we may rollback at night when less people are online.
However, there is something very important to point out: If you get griefed, do not repair it. When you want to show us the damage, do not place a block over the damaged area. This will destroy the evidence, and short of rolling you back, we may not be able to find out who did it.
Stealing/ Looting
What is it?
Stealing is the intentional taking of one/multiple players' items from their storage chests. As rage-inducing as it may seem, if you accidentally press Q and your diamonds start dropping and someone picks them up, they can well keep it. Of course this is in bad morals. If they refuse to give whatever you dropped back, I would highly suggest slandering their name into oblivion so that his future trading experiences are... jeopardized (if someone hears that the person they are trading with is a thief, think they'll trust them with the transaction?).
Is it against the rules?
This is argued so much so that the response we give is now a cliche`. I will repeat this so that hopefully I never have to say it again:
Stealing is against the rules.
I think we're past saying "Stealing is only against the rules if you get caught". This is a nothing statement really. The only time we would know you were stealing is... well... if you were caught. Therefore it's easier and more correct to say that it's against the rules, period, because it is.
How can I prove somebody stole from me?
This is a bit difficult to do. Fraps is your best bet really, recording them going through all of your chests, maybe looking in them as he's taking from it (if they're dumb enough to do that). Screenshots of them standing by the chest isn't legitimate proof. Think about it. That's no more proof than having a guy stand next to a pool of lava and say he was a griefer and put it there. We can't interpret that from the picture. What I can try to do to help is this: message me exactly what you lost, I'll check their inventory and see if they have it. Even with this I can't 100% guarantee I can do something about it. But it's better than nothing. You can also place a block over your chests so we can see who destroyed it to access your chest.
In Summary:
PvP is allowed, don't complain about losing your items; it's your fault. Killing people without PVP on is against the rules.
Griefing is always against the rules. Don't ask for compensation after a grief. Don't point fingers if you don't have legitimate proof.
Stealing is always against the rules. Taking someone's items after they die is not stealing. Taking from their chests is. Don't ask for compensation after a loot.
Realm ownership and property rights clarifications
New - Read this
This post is to clarify some of the rules having to do with property ownership and realms. Basically, we are running into problems where someone makes a realm somewhere that has several other people's properties in it, and then they proceed to pilfers it. This is against the rules. That is considered stealing. If you claim a realm that other people are building in, you must give them the chance to remove all of their belongings from it. If you tear apart their buildings and loot their chests before they get this chance, then you will be banned for griefing and stealing. If you remove the blocks covering these chests so that other people can then loot them, then you will be banned for griefing and stealing.
If someone has property in your realm and they haven't logged on in a long time, ask an admin to check it out. We will tell you if you can remove this building. This is to ensure that if someone leaves the server, their building can be removed. That is not to allow you to try to circumvent the rights of an active player. If you try to abuse this, you will probably be banned for griefing and stealing anyways.
Basically, just because you claim the realm, does not mean you own the chests that happened to be in that realm.
If you find yourself carefully documenting every action you take so you can prove that you didn't break the rules when exploiting some loophole that you found, then you are probably doing something that you may be banned for anyway.
PvP
What is it?
PvP, or Player verus Player, is direct combat between two or more players, usually with swords or bows, but crazy people may prefer fists, others lava buckets. This combat can occur in the nether at all times and in the overworld when both players have /pvp on.
Killing people with PVP off
Don’t. You will be banned if you set them on fire, or if you dump lava on them. When PVP is off, you should not kill them.
Can I "steal" someone's items after they die?
You sure can. It's PvP, there are supposed to be consequences to dying. You have zero ability to complain that you've lost 10 stacks of diamond when you got killed in the wilderness and the guy didn't give them back. Why? You made the choice to turn on PvP or enter the nether, and you made the choice to travel with 10 stacks of diamond.
This means that we shouldn't hear any complaints about losing items in PvP, right?
I killed a guy with PvP off by setting him on fire, but he didn't have items!
Still banned. You are being banned for the action you committed, not the impact of that action.
So I got killed with PvP off. What happens to all of my items?
If you give us the name of the player who killed you, as well as exactly what items you were missing, we can try to get them back to do. Be aware though that with fire, most items are destroyed in your death. Even if some are kept by the player that killed you, keep in mind that we cannot guarantee their safe return to your pockets. The player may be banned before we get this opportunity, or other players may have grabbed the items. In this case, you are unfortunately out of items.
Griefing
What is it?
If you're somehow not familiar with it, griefing is the intentional destruction of one player's property (cobble walls, chests, doors, wheat, etc) or the addition of unwanted objects to said property (lava everywhere, water everywhere, obsidian everywhere, etc). As you probably are aware, this is unallowed in every instance on our server. In fact, my name is blue to prevent this from happening in the first place.
What can I do to prevent it?
Most griefing occurs around spawn, so the easiest thing to do is move away from spawn. You can also purchase a private realm that is protected. If you don’t have one yet, you can call a mod to check on damage and possibly roll it back. You should also place a block over chests so that we can see who removed it to get access to it.
How can I catch/ punish people who grief me?
Pressing F2 will take an immediate screenshot (don't worry, the lag is just processing the image, you really take the screenshot immediately) of what you are seeing on your screen. Through a quick process these .png files can be turned into viewable ones (.jpeg) on the forums. With these, post a topic regarding the player(s) you believed griefed you, as well as undeniable proof. NOTE: Without proof, your complaint will receive no response.
What constitutes as proof of griefing?
Having images of the griefers mid-act (using a bucket, breaking a block, near the broken material MAY even be interpreted alright) will be decent proof. FRAPS or other video recording software is even better. I can't stress this enough guys: I don't care how sad you are that you lost everything to a griefer you just witnessed. If you don't have undeniable proof that it occured with the accused player, I can't do anything to help you.
What should the MineRealm staff (mods, admins, whatever) do to help?
Besides ban/ interpret your griefer complaint, we can check who did the damage, and possibly roll them back. However, rollbacks may not occur immediately, or at all. Rollbacks cause large amounts of server strain, so when too many people are on, they can crash the server. For minor griefings, we will probably not rollback, and for larger griefings, we may rollback at night when less people are online.
However, there is something very important to point out: If you get griefed, do not repair it. When you want to show us the damage, do not place a block over the damaged area. This will destroy the evidence, and short of rolling you back, we may not be able to find out who did it.
Stealing/ Looting
What is it?
Stealing is the intentional taking of one/multiple players' items from their storage chests. As rage-inducing as it may seem, if you accidentally press Q and your diamonds start dropping and someone picks them up, they can well keep it. Of course this is in bad morals. If they refuse to give whatever you dropped back, I would highly suggest slandering their name into oblivion so that his future trading experiences are... jeopardized (if someone hears that the person they are trading with is a thief, think they'll trust them with the transaction?).
Is it against the rules?
This is argued so much so that the response we give is now a cliche`. I will repeat this so that hopefully I never have to say it again:
Stealing is against the rules.
I think we're past saying "Stealing is only against the rules if you get caught". This is a nothing statement really. The only time we would know you were stealing is... well... if you were caught. Therefore it's easier and more correct to say that it's against the rules, period, because it is.
How can I prove somebody stole from me?
This is a bit difficult to do. Fraps is your best bet really, recording them going through all of your chests, maybe looking in them as he's taking from it (if they're dumb enough to do that). Screenshots of them standing by the chest isn't legitimate proof. Think about it. That's no more proof than having a guy stand next to a pool of lava and say he was a griefer and put it there. We can't interpret that from the picture. What I can try to do to help is this: message me exactly what you lost, I'll check their inventory and see if they have it. Even with this I can't 100% guarantee I can do something about it. But it's better than nothing. You can also place a block over your chests so we can see who destroyed it to access your chest.
In Summary:
PvP is allowed, don't complain about losing your items; it's your fault. Killing people without PVP on is against the rules.
Griefing is always against the rules. Don't ask for compensation after a grief. Don't point fingers if you don't have legitimate proof.
Stealing is always against the rules. Taking someone's items after they die is not stealing. Taking from their chests is. Don't ask for compensation after a loot.
Realm ownership and property rights clarifications
New - Read this
This post is to clarify some of the rules having to do with property ownership and realms. Basically, we are running into problems where someone makes a realm somewhere that has several other people's properties in it, and then they proceed to pilfers it. This is against the rules. That is considered stealing. If you claim a realm that other people are building in, you must give them the chance to remove all of their belongings from it. If you tear apart their buildings and loot their chests before they get this chance, then you will be banned for griefing and stealing. If you remove the blocks covering these chests so that other people can then loot them, then you will be banned for griefing and stealing.
If someone has property in your realm and they haven't logged on in a long time, ask an admin to check it out. We will tell you if you can remove this building. This is to ensure that if someone leaves the server, their building can be removed. That is not to allow you to try to circumvent the rights of an active player. If you try to abuse this, you will probably be banned for griefing and stealing anyways.
Basically, just because you claim the realm, does not mean you own the chests that happened to be in that realm.
If you find yourself carefully documenting every action you take so you can prove that you didn't break the rules when exploiting some loophole that you found, then you are probably doing something that you may be banned for anyway.
