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[REJECTED] [Ban Appeal]: Nathanness

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:02 pm
by Nathanness
Hello and Good Day.
This is a ban appeal for my Minecraft persona, "Nathanness".
I believe I was banned after obtaining diamond ore in one of my mines.

Now, when I noticed a message from one of the Staff, referring to myself and the diamond ore I had just
obtained, I had desired to give a thorough explanation for my actions and my regular mining techniques.
But as the Staff member seemed impatient and was implying an imminent ban, the short and hurried explanation I provided most likely worsened the situation. Of course, I do not mean to imply offence to this Staff member or their methods, so please do not take it that way.

I am an avid user of the "strip mining" method, as it seems to me to be the most efficient way to obtain ores of all sorts. As well as this, I have developed differing techniques that seem to improve the frequency at which I can discover these ores, techniques that I have tested thoroughly in the course of my time spent on Minecraft. One of these techniques, I refer to as the "Cosmological Principle", which, when applied to a game such as Minecraft, I believe is defined as- "The location of the Player is not the most privileged location in the game. There are desireable ores in random directions all around you, even if you can't yet see them yourself." I utilize this method by taking little changes in the environment around me, even one as small as having a thin vein of dirt occupying the corner of a mine shaft, and using that as an indication to expand the mine shaft outward in all directions, to reveal any ores that might lie in the area. Once I have expanded out a little bit, or I have found an ore of any sort, I continue on my way.
On this occasion, I happened upon diamond ore, which was a pleasant surprise, as I had a feeling that it was going to be iron ore, if anything.

I realize that there are client modifications that allow the player to see through the "blocks" on Minecraft.
I also realize the advantages that this modification might provide, but I believe that these advantages are not very fair, and would entirely remove the thrill experienced from discovering these ores (the thrill that I myself experience, anyway). As such, I would not seek to obtain these modifications even if I was aware of the methods used to obtain them.

As I have been spending my free time on the Minerealm server for quite a while now, I have seen many people accused of illegally obtaining ores, suspected of obtaining them through the methods provided by the afore-mentioned modifications. I can see that when pressed, they provide suspicious explanations about they themselves having methods of discovering these ores by digging down in random directions, in the dark. It is definitely not my place to speculate on whether or not they are telling the truth in these explanations, but because even I can see how suspicious they seem, I can understand the reasons that my own explanation might provide some suspicion to any Staff members.
Because of this, I would definitely be willing to relinquish any and all of the ores I have obtained in return for the privilege of returning to Minerealm. I put much more value in the thrill of obtaining these ores, than I do in actually keeping them.
I would also like to apologize for any actions or statements that I may have made, or have ever made, that might have been detrimental in any way to the proper running of Minerealm, such as my insultingly simplistic preliminary explanation.

So, for your consideration, I present my ban appeal, in hopes that I may return to spending my time on Minerealm for many years more,
and continuing to see what excitement and changes this great server might bring.

Thank you for your time.

Re: [Ban Appeal]: Nathanness

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:27 am
by Eetrab
If Intelli was ever to post a example of a ban appeal for reference, I highly recommend this one. Fantastic appeal and I hope you get unbanned. We need to keep players like you (assuming you have not been exploiting in any way) on Minerealm.

Re: [Ban Appeal]: Nathanness

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:25 pm
by EvilYumi
What an amazing ban appeal! Hope to see you unbanned soon Nathan!

Cheers

Re: [Ban Appeal]: Nathanness

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:20 pm
by Rokkrwolf
We have been going over your logs and have come up with several suspicious areas. I will go through and list several of them but there was many so I am just showing a few of them.

I will say this you are either the luckiest guy in the world or you're not telling us everything. The first pictures will illustrate the diamonds I rolled back to show where they were mined. Second picture will show the area around it rolled back so the walls blocking it. Note however there were no other ores around it's just stone. There were a few spots that had other ores hidden in the stone as well. Some spots I couldn't get rolled back to where I wanted it so there are a few bare spots if I went any further back it would of filled the whole tunnel.

Ok the first section -

Diamond - X: -3012, Y: 10, Z: 4620 | July 22, 2012 03:20:37 PM
Diamond - X: -3011, Y: 10, Z: 4621 | July 22, 2012 03:20:38 PM
Diamond - X: -3012, Y: 11, Z: 4620 | July 22, 2012 03:20:39 PM
Diamond - X: -3011, Y: 11, Z: 4621 | July 22, 2012 03:20:40 PM

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Second location -

Diamond - X: -3072, Y: 8, Z: 4612 | July 22, 2012 03:38:53 PM
Diamond - X: -3072, Y: 7, Z: 4612 | July 22, 2012 03:38:54 PM
Diamond - X: -3072, Y: 7, Z: 4611 | July 22, 2012 03:38:54 PM
Diamond - X: -3071, Y: 7, Z: 4612 | July 22, 2012 03:38:55 PM
Diamond - X: -3071, Y: 7, Z: 4611 | July 22, 2012 03:38:55 PM
Diamond - X: -3071, Y: 6, Z: 4611 | July 22, 2012 03:38:57 PM

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Third location -

Diamond - X: -3296, Y: 7, Z: 4628 | July 22, 2012 04:19:04 PM
Diamond - X: -3296, Y: 7, Z: 4627 | July 22, 2012 04:19:04 PM
Diamond - X: -3295, Y: 7, Z: 4627 | July 22, 2012 04:19:05 PM
Diamond - X: -3295, Y: 6, Z: 4627 | July 22, 2012 04:19:05 PM
Diamond - X: -3296, Y: 6, Z: 4627 | July 22, 2012 04:19:06 PM
Diamond - X: -3296, Y: 6, Z: 4628 | July 22, 2012 04:19:06 PM

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Fourth location -

Diamond - X: -3274, Y: 7, Z: 4627 | July 22, 2012 04:29:08 PM
Diamond - X: -3274, Y: 7, Z: 4626 | July 22, 2012 04:29:08 PM
Diamond - X: -3273, Y: 7, Z: 4626 | July 22, 2012 04:29:09 PM
Diamond - X: -3274, Y: 6, Z: 4626 | July 22, 2012 04:29:11 PM
Diamond - X: -3273, Y: 6, Z: 4626 | July 22, 2012 04:29:13 PM
Diamond - X: -3274, Y: 6, Z: 4627 | July 22, 2012 04:30:26 PM

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Fifth location -

Diamond - X: -3811, Y: 10, Z: 3376 | July 22, 2012 05:38:45 PM
Diamond - X: -3810, Y: 10, Z: 3375 | July 22, 2012 05:38:46 PM
Diamond - X: -3811, Y: 9, Z: 3376 | July 22, 2012 05:38:47 PM
Diamond - X: -3810, Y: 9, Z: 3375 | July 22, 2012 05:38:48 PM

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Sixth Location - I'll show a bit more for this to show how encased this was.

Diamond - X: -3810, Y: 8, Z: 3354 | July 22, 2012 05:58:54 PM
Diamond - X: -3811, Y: 9, Z: 3354 | July 22, 2012 05:58:54 PM
Diamond - X: -3810, Y: 8, Z: 3353 | July 22, 2012 05:58:55 PM
Diamond - X: -3810, Y: 7, Z: 3353 | July 22, 2012 05:58:55 PM
Diamond - X: -3811, Y: 9, Z: 3353 | July 22, 2012 05:58:56 PM

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So now that we have presented this we would like to hear what you have to say.

Here is a link to all the pictures, note some are out of order to lazy to fix it http://www.photobucket.com/nathanness

Or here for the slideshow http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n235 ... =slideshow

Re: [Ban Appeal]: Nathanness

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:46 pm
by Nathanness
Hello, and good day.

I would like to thank you, Rokkrwolf312, for taking the time to review my case. I appreciate the time and effort that you have put into it.
I would like to start off by saying that your suspicion is understandable. The amount of diamond ore in the earth of Minecraft is a paltry sum when compared to the vast majority of other ores. It is part of what makes the finding of diamond ore so exciting.
I have looked through all of the pictures that you have posted, both on this forum post and on the Photobucket website. All of these pictures, I find, are concentrating on different instances of diamond ore, and none depict any of the other ores I have obtained. I understand that diamond ore is not as common as other ores, and therefore is less likely to be obtained, but I believe that in this situation, focusing on them is taking them out of context. Yes, I did obtain a fair amount of diamond ore, but when compared to the sheer amount of other ores that I obtained, such as coal, red stone ore and even iron ore, the ratio would not be as surprising.
If it was your desire to have me explain the circumstances surrounding each occasion on which I managed to obtain diamond ore, then I apologize sincerely, as my memory is not good enough to remember each of these instances, made worse by the fact that it is difficult to tell the locations apart. However, by looking at the pictures that you have so graciously provided, I can see a few that depict the occasions on which the technique mentioned in my initial post was put into effect. It can be seen in those pictures, that the environment in the area is slightly different than it usually is (i.e. There are sections of dirt blocks that break the uniformity of the stone block environment). It is most commonly with dirt and gravel blocks, but can also include deposits of ores. When I notice this fact and I feel the desire, I expand the tunnel outwards until I have located an ore or have at least gone a few spaces. It has proven effective more often with the discovery of other ores, than with diamond ore, but it is still a useful technique for obtaining diamond ore. It has always been interesting to find that many various ore deposits seem to be lying just outside of the tunnel I have mined, only to be discovered by one of my expansions.
Yes, diamond ore is, in fact, surrounded by stone on most occasions. I do not believe that I have ever indicated otherwise. Although, there was definitely more than one occasion on which I had discovered diamond ore hidden behind another ore. It is discovered once that ore has been mined. I find this concept indicated in the picture numbered “18” in the album on the Photobucket website. When that ore is mined, the diamond ore is revealed.
It is my humble opinion, that anyone can obtain diamond ore, if they have decent methods. Luck will only play a small part, if you are utilizing these methods correctly. One of the first things to note is that the highest concentrations of diamond ore are found between the depth levels of “5” and “12”. I find the level of “10” to be the most effective. If using your own effective techniques (most importantly the “strip mining” technique), the possibility of encountering diamond ore is not very low at all.

Would it be best, to actually refrain from mining any diamond ore in all circumstances? This seems the only sure way to avoid a situation as difficult as this one, although if necessary, I would be more than happy to oblige. It saddens me to know that my integrity has been besmirched by this whole ordeal, it is the character aspect that I cherish most about myself. A very big desire of mine is to be able to return to spending my time on Minerealm, where I may continue to play the game honestly and with integrity, and to restore my good name.

Again, it has not been my intention to imply offence with any of the statements in this post.

Thank you for your time.

Re: [Ban Appeal]: Nathanness

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:31 pm
by shaddowdemon
I am hoping that you are indeed being truthful and that you have not been xraying, as your appeal is amazing compared to the average quality.

I will throw this out there though, and it is not meant to offend. If the staff determine that you are lying, there is a good chance that you won't be unbanned (in my opinion). Coming clean would probably result in a temporary ban, but I imagine they would let you come back. From what I can tell, nearly all xray offenders get a second chance. If you are indeed being truthful though, then I hope their investigation concludes that you are innocent.

Re: [Ban Appeal]: Nathanness

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:02 pm
by Intelli
shaddowdemon wrote:I am hoping that you are indeed being truthful and that you have not been xraying, as your appeal is amazing compared to the average quality.

I will throw this out there though, and it is not meant to offend. If the staff determine that you are lying, there is a good chance that you won't be unbanned (in my opinion). Coming clean would probably result in a temporary ban, but I imagine they would let you come back. From what I can tell, nearly all xray offenders get a second chance. If you are indeed being truthful though, then I hope their investigation concludes that you are innocent.
I think rokkrs screenshots are conclusive enough.

He had long 1x2 tunnels, which would then randomly dig out into diamond ore (and only at spots with diamond ore) that were completely covered with stone. There's no way he could have know the diamond were in that location without hacks.

Appeal rejected.

Re: [REJECTED] [Ban Appeal]: Nathanness

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:31 pm
by Nathanness
Thank you for your reply, Intelli.
I will not insult you by challenging anything you have said.
I apologize to you, and to Rokkrwolf312, for wasting your time on this matter.
I would like to thank you, Intelli, for the time I have spent on your amazing server.

In response to your post, Shaddowdemon, I thank you for the compliment.
I understand that people who "come clean" with the fact that they were "x-raying" are much more likely to be unbanned, whether or not they were actually using modifications with their game. I am aware that it could have made everything a lot easier for me, and those investigating this issue. However, it is not something I can bring myself to do. I very much dislike lying, in all of it's forms. The truth is a much harder path to take, and I will accept the consequences, knowing that I have at least taken the time to attempt to bring the truth out. As well, I hope that people may learn from the style and grammar of my posts, so that they may improve the quality of their appeals.

Thank you, and good day.