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Part 1:
I know that topic is locked, but I can answer one of cerevox's arugments; the location of the accused attack. You can see in the top right hand corner of each image that he has a minimap mod (permitted in the rules section). This also provides him with coordinates, which can be seen to be

x=-73
z=-83 (or something similar in other images)
y=79

Also, notice the chat where it states in the first image 'You are nearing the edge of the realm "Spawn City" ', followed by a chat message. Then 'You have left the realm "Spawn City" ' and PVP gets enabled.

However, this suggests he had just left the spawn because the sucession of messages in the chat would have pushed the one about spawn city upwards, if it had been a long time before. Moreover, you can see he is moving backwards as he takes each screenshot, also suggesting he is wary of this person and is worried they are trying to hurt him (you can see he is moving back from the way everything moves further away and also the coordinates are changing accordingly). Another thing to note about the screenshots is that they were all taken in the space of four seconds (subtract the time in chat 20:04:57 from 20:05:01). Again this implies he was panicing at the time and had little oppurtunity for screenshots for fear of dying and losing his items. The fact he managed to take four sucessive screenshots in the first place is quite good in itself. Why would he take them and go to the trouble of posting them otherwise? Furthermore you can see his health bar decrease from 9 hearts to 6 hearts in the space of two seconds (look at the times in screenshots), meanwhile you can see that 'alienrobot' is wielding and swinging what looks like a spade in the second image advancing on 'bonejunky', proving that 'bonejunky' was indeed being attacked.

Part 2:

Additionally, his claim that someone came to his aid is clearly visible in the background and the way events unfolded in the images. You can see in the all three images the attacker (alienrobot) is facing 'Bonejunky', and gets attacked from behind by another player. Hence all the items on the floor in the third image (remember after just four seconds) left when 'alienrobot' died. I justify this because the other player is much closer to 'alienrobot' than 'bonejunky' is, meaning 'bonejunky' could not have killed 'alienrobot'. It could be argued that 'bonejunky' used a bow, but in this circumstance where is the bow in his hand in any of the three images? Where is the arrow flying through the air? I want to bring attention to this because it suggests that 'bonejunky' was trying to avoid a fight, coupled with his fleeing we can assume the 'bonejunky' was most probably a victim of the violation of this rule. Quote:

'Proximity of Spawn (1.1): Spawn camping is the act of remaining within the proximity of /spawn and blocking / standing guard by an area directly outside of spawn and killing anyone that comes near. As of April 30th, this action is not a rule infraction.'

As previously established (from coordinates and text in chat) 'bonejunky' and 'alienrobot were very close to the spawn area. This means 'alienrobot' directly breaks the rule above because the justification is present for 'alienrobot' attacking 'bonejunky' outside the spawn. The only problem could be that the rule is not an infraction from April the 30th, however this event took place before that time. The proof again lies within the chat box; the date of the screenshots is the 28th of April ('-04-28'). Thus this is undoubtably a rule infringement and should result in a ban.

Part 3:

Unfortunately, I have been little evidence of this happening repeatedly as 'bonejunky' claims. I just try and use logic here, which tells me that somebody doing this once, would imply that they enjoy it and will do it again. My reasoning is it seems that 'alienrobot' was not attacking 'bonejunky' solely for the items because looking at 'bonejunky's' HUD I can see him carrying nothing. However, it could be argued that 'bonejunky' was carrying items in his inventory or wearing armour. Then I would question why he isn't carrying anything to wield, when logic implies that if he has items in his inventory worth defending, he would be carrying items to defend himself with (e.g. at least a sword). Moreover, most player carry a set of tools at all times for general use, which 'bonejunky' lacks. In my opinion, this would only be the case if he had been killed previously by 'alienrobot', or had not been expecting a fight.

In the first instance, he would have lost his items after death which would explain why he is still at the spawn location and would have gone back to 'alienrobot' in an attempt to retrieve them (hence his claim of repetative kills). This is called self defence, and honestly cannot be frowned upon. The second instance inasmuch as 'bonejunky' was not expecting any conflict, is less likely, but still worth considering. Again, it would imply an unprovoked attack by 'alienrobot' because 'bonejunky' appears defenceless.

LordRamuthra wrote:Then I would question why he isn't carrying anything to wield, when logic implies that if he has items in his inventory worth defending, he would be carrying items to defend himself with (e.g. at least a sword). Moreover, most player carry a set of tools at all times for general use, which 'bonejunky' lacks. In my opinion, this would only be the case if he had been killed previously by 'alienrobot', or had not been expecting a fight.

In the first instance, he would have lost his items after death which would explain why he is still at the spawn location and would have gone back to 'alienrobot' in an attempt to retrieve them (hence his claim of repetative kills). This is called self defence, and honestly cannot be frowned upon. The second instance inasmuch as 'bonejunky' was not expecting any conflict, is less likely, but still worth considering. Again, it would imply an unprovoked attack by 'alienrobot' because 'bonejunky' appears defenceless.

Actually, quite a number of players fight with no equipment including myself and KyleFate as examples.

Part 4:

I would just like to make a few more points. Cerevox did mention that it might have been the case that 'alienrobot' was the victim of an attack by 'bonejunky', but I would like to dismiss this. It is just the difference in weaponry that suggests this isn't the case because 'alienrobot is better eqipped and the fact that 'alienrobot' did not submit any complaints regarding an attack whereas 'bonejunky' did.

Another query is why 'bonejunky' was at the spawn in the first place. I have several explanations for this. Firstly, often people go to the spawn to trade with other players because it is usually safe and doesn't require any messing about with realms. The question would be why 'bonejunky' decided to enter a PvP zone if this was the case. A reason might be that 'alienrobot' killed him indirectly using something like sand etc. and he wanted his items back. Another reason might be that 'bonejunky' died and was therefore at the spawn anyway and decided to have a look around, whereupon he was attacked by 'alienrobot'. There may be other reasons too. Overall, from logic and evidence I honestly believe that 'bonejunky' has provided a good enough argument to ensure the banning of 'alienrobot'.

Kojaimea wrote:

LordRamuthra wrote:Then I would question why he isn't carrying anything to wield, when logic implies that if he has items in his inventory worth defending, he would be carrying items to defend himself with (e.g. at least a sword). Moreover, most player carry a set of tools at all times for general use, which 'bonejunky' lacks. In my opinion, this would only be the case if he had been killed previously by 'alienrobot', or had not been expecting a fight.

In the first instance, he would have lost his items after death which would explain why he is still at the spawn location and would have gone back to 'alienrobot' in an attempt to retrieve them (hence his claim of repetative kills). This is called self defence, and honestly cannot be frowned upon. The second instance inasmuch as 'bonejunky' was not expecting any conflict, is less likely, but still worth considering. Again, it would imply an unprovoked attack by 'alienrobot' because 'bonejunky' appears defenceless.

Actually, quite a number of players fight with no equipment including myself and KyleFate as examples.

That is a fair point, but as I said, if he was going there to fight he really would have no need to run away and post his argument would he?

That thread was locked for a reason. It was concluded that there was not enough evidence for a ban, so this new thread is unnecessary, as you do not bring any new evidence to the table.

Also, edit button.